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Old 21.07.2015, 17:52
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employees full time- declared at 10%

News from Geneva that an increasing number of employers, in particular in building trades, employ workers full-time, but only declare them at working 10 to 50%, pocketing the difference in tax and social payments- defrauding both the State and the employee- who in case of accident, illness, loss of employment and of course, retirement, find themselves in dire straights- and of course workers who insist on legal conditions and salaries.

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Re: employees full time- declared at 10%

It must be foreign employers.
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Old 21.07.2015, 18:22
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Re: employees full time- declared at 10%

Source for the news?
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Old 21.07.2015, 18:37
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Re: employees full time- declared at 10%

Here is just a few:

  1. Certains patrons genevois ne déclarent pas leurs employés ...

    www.hebdo.ch/.../certains-patrons-genevois-ne-déclarent-pas-leurs-empl...


    <li class="g">Il y a 2 jours - Employé dans la construction à 100% mais déclaré qu'à mi-temps voire à 10%, de tels cas se multiplient dans le canton de Genève. Syndicats ...


    <li class="g">Employés à 100% mais déclarés seulement à 10%

    http://www.pressreader.com/switzerla...e/.../TextView
    Il y a 1 jour - Employés à 100% mais déclarés seulement à 10%. GENÈVE. Ils travaillent dans la construction à 100% mais ne sont déclarés qu'à mi-temps, ...


    <li class="g">Economique - RFJ votre radio régionale

    www.rfj.ch › Accueil › Actualité



    <li class="g">Certains patrons genevois ne déclarent pas leurs employés à 100% Employé dans la construction à 100% mais déclaré qu'à mi-temps voire à 10%, de tels cas ...


    <li class="g">Des patrons font bosser leurs employés à 100 ... - Le Matin

    www.lematin.ch/suisse/patrons...employes-100-declarent...10/.../28898452?...
    Des patrons font bosser leurs employés à 100%, mais ne les déclarent qu'à 10% .... pas heureusement, mais il y en a de + en + construction,hôtelerie,industrie et ... par jours touché de mains à mains, il ne les a sûrement pas déclaré aux ...


    <li class="g">RFJ votre radio régionale - Rjb

    www.rjb.ch/scripts/index.aspx?idd=30073



    Certains patrons genevois ne déclarent pas leurs employés à 100% Employé dans la construction à 100% mais déclaré qu'à mi-temps voire à 10%, de tels cas ...


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It must be foreign employers.
hmmm why? And would that make a difference? Not stated, but probably both foreign and Swiss.

Didn't put links in the first post as they are all in French.
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News from Geneva that an increasing number of employers, in particular in building trades, employ workers full-time, but only declare them at working 10 to 50%, pocketing the difference in tax and social payments- defrauding both the State and the employee- who in case of accident, illness, loss of employment and of course, retirement, find themselves in dire straights- and of course workers who insist on legal conditions and salaries.
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Employés à 100% mais déclarés seulement à 10%
Hardly surprising, the abuse of employment laws in border cantons is rife.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/ita/mercato-...abusi/41415010

http://www.ticinonews.ch/ticino/2443...ora-tutto-vero

http://www.infoinsubria.com/2015/05/...nto-gli-abusi/

http://www.gdp.ch/notizie/ticino/un-...o-id44567.html
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hmmm why? And would that make a difference? Not stated, but probably both foreign and Swiss.

Didn't put links in the first post as they are all in French.
It was sarcasm
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Re: employees full time- declared at 10%

The building trade, and especially smaller contractors and subcontractors have a bit of a bad name over this type of thing.

On the other hand, cost pressure is so huge that companies outsource work to subcontractors at ridiculously low rates without asking how they can possibly do the work for that money. If caught, the main contractor can hold up their hands in innocence and say it was the subconractor that did it.

Employing people at 10% is a particularly nasty trick as when an inspection happens, everybody has papers and the police need to do a lot of extra work to prove the workers are working more than they say.

Another area that has a bad name is the food processing industry, especially abattoires and meat cutting. In some cases you get three Africans, apparently sharing the same name and working in shifts around the clock while only one has an actual work permit. They assume the police think all black guys look the same (and a combination of questionable photgraphs and similar looking giuys can reinforce this)
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