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Re: Psychologists in Switzerland

Hmmmm. Thanks for the info.
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Old 02.01.2016, 22:15
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Really? Am I wrong? Please advise.

I still think you only need a Master's degree or perhaps even just a Bachelor's Degree to call yourself a psychologist in Switzerland. In the USA, you need a doctorate to call yourself a psychologist. Am I wrong? If I am, please let me know.
A Master's or Licentiate is required to call yourself a Psychologist in Switzerland:

"Psychologe / Psychologin darf sich in der Schweiz neu nur noch nennen, wer einen Masterabschluss bzw. einen gleichwertigen Studienabschluss (z.B. Lizenziat) in Psychologie hat."

http://www.law-news.ch/2013/03/bunde...gieberufe-psyg

A Licentiate is the equivalent to Master's in Switzerland, per Wiki:

"Switzerland
At Swiss universities, until the adoption of the Bologna Convention, the Lizentiat/licence was the equivalent of a master's degree (there being no prior degrees) and qualified the holder for doctoral studies. The degree names are followed by the field of study (e.g. lic. phil., lic. ès lettres, lic. oec., etc.). In line with the Bologna Process, the degree has now been replaced by master's degrees (with bachelor's degrees being newly introduced).
According to the Swiss University Conference, the joint organization of the cantons and the Confederation for university politics, and the Rectors' Conference of the Swiss Universities, the old Lizentiat/licence is considered equivalent to the current master's degree.[17"
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Old 03.01.2016, 10:19
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You said "even doctors". I'm not sure what it's like in the rest of the world but in Switzerland, doctors that deal with psychiatric issues are called psychiatrists and are paid by the grundversicherung.
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You said "even doctors".
I think s/he meant "psychologists, even psychologists who are PhDs".

Have a look at this article, it explains that there is an ongoing discussion regarding having costs for psychotherapy covered by the basic insurance (Grundversicherung). Of course, in order to become a licensed psychotherapist in Switzerland, there are very stringent criteria.

http://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/psychother...ein-1.18555897
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I think s/he meant "psychologists, even psychologists who are PhDs".

Have a look at this article, it explains that there is an ongoing discussion regarding having costs for psychotherapy covered by the basic insurance (Grundversicherung). Of course, in order to become a licensed psychotherapist in Switzerland, there are very stringent criteria.

http://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/psychother...ein-1.18555897
Alright, could be that I misunderstood what she was trying to convey. My apologies.
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Old 03.01.2016, 21:24
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Re: Psychologists in Switzerland

In the States, psychologists have a PhD (Doctor of Philosophy) or PsyD (Doctor of Psychology). As a clinical psychologist, I have a PsyD which is a combination of a PhD plus extra training, pre-doctoral and post-doctoral. In the States, a psychiatrist always has an MD (Doctor of Medicine).
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Old 03.01.2016, 23:52
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In the States, psychologists have a PhD (Doctor of Philosophy) or PsyD (Doctor of Psychology). As a clinical psychologist, I have a PsyD which is a combination of a PhD plus extra training, pre-doctoral and post-doctoral. In the States, a psychiatrist always has an MD (Doctor of Medicine).
Not just in the states - psychiatrists in Switzerland are all medical doctors. Psychologists are not though. Not the same thing.

A Bachelors in Psych won't get you far in CH.
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Re: Psychologists in Switzerland

I would consider myself a psychologist, although I am not registered for practice outside my country. I tried looking into registering here but wasn't too much into the idea because I didn't think I was going to be here for that long to justify going through all the effort (particularly after reading this thread: Working as a psychologist).

I do have a PhD in an area related to health psychology. I constantly checked this website: http://www.science-jobs.ch/ and from time to time found offers which were relevant (only applied for one, but never heard back). If you are looking into doing a PhD, the opportunities are much more easier to come by, than for a Postdoc which was my case, and that same website lists offers all the time.

Another good resource was xpatjobs where you can set up notifications to your email every time a job related to your search becomes available. I came across some interesting ones, not just HR, but also for research with health companies, but never applied because I was really into taking German lessons and was always holding on to the idea of finding a Postdoc.

A friend also recommended that I searched in the websites of the Fachhochschules. I did so, and found that in nursing and social work sometimes they look for people with a background in research in health related areas. There are some jobs for which one of the swiss languages is essential, but I know for a fact that there are some where English is perfectly fine. Not only for research, but also for teaching. So I would also look on the websites of those FS that may be near to you.

After almost two years, I have finally been offered a Postdoc, however it was not by sending an application without having had previous contact with the researchers. I was lucky to be introduced through colleagues of mine and when the opportunity became available, I was able to compete with other candidates but with them already knowing who I was and what my work was like.

It is certainly not easy, but jobs as research assistant and PhDs might be a bit easier to find.

Good luck in your search!
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Old 21.01.2016, 21:57
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Re: Psychologists in Switzerland

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I hope you were able to find this information on your own since the last post. Delegated therapy in Switzerland covers psychotherapy by a regulated psychologist under the basic insurance.

The prescription needs to be written by a psychiatrist that works with the psychologist, which seems to be common. Anyone that has had an illness, severely acute or chronic can ask for a prescription for this form of therapy. Generally, it's good practice to see a psychologist to learn to cope with an illness, and the basic insurance will pay on a regular basis for this until you're out of the woods. Sometimes you have to ask for it though.

Of course, it should go without saying that anyone with a mental health problem is afforded the same coverage.
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Re: Psychologists in Switzerland

Thanks for the information and for your story, lalalila. I know it's a hard road that requires determination to be able to navigate successfully, and I am impressed that you were able to do it. I have a PsyD, which is like a PhD but with extra clinical hours in addition to the research. However, I graduated in 2006 and, since then, have not been involved in research. So, I don't think it's very likely anyone will accept me into a lab or research position. I've worked in prisons, hospitals (both clinical and forensic), clinics, and in private practice. I'm thinking at this point that my best bet is to just get my licensure in order and try to form a private practice here. Hopefully, I'll be able to find a psychiatrist or two to work with. I've almost always worked with psychiatrists at a team and am a fan of that approach. I figure that it will take me a good six months or so just to get licensed and then probably another year at least to build anything up. I'll keep you posted!
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Re: Psychologists in Switzerland

Doc.holliday, have you been able to recognised your degree yet? I'm curious because i've been Reading about the papers and other things they ask for the process, and one of them is a 'matrise' in one of the languages (french, german, italian). I dont know someone who has been through the process, and i would like to found out, how the evaluate your level in the language.

Best of luck with the job hunting
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I haven't formally begun the licensing process yet because I am working on clearing up some student loan problems first. But it was my understanding that you only had to prove language competence if you were applying to be a specialist in an area, not for a general license to practice. I'll let you know if I find out different. I should be starting the process pretty soon. Let me know too what your experiences are. Perhaps we could meet up over coffee sometime. It would be great to talk shop with a native English speaker. I really miss that. What do you think?
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Re: Psychologists in Switzerland

You are very right!

When it comes to diplomas recognition one has to take into account that it is quite a lengthy process, it took me 3 months and it costs around 700 CHF. I could not understand the costs as I come from an European country and hold the European Directive 84 certificates which seem to be without value here although Switzerland ratified the above mentioned convention. Also, there are huge differences from canton to canton when it comes to the defining of concepts (psychologist, psychotherapist, counsellor) and the rights/obligations which accompany them.
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Re: Psychologists in Switzerland

I hear you! I arrived in CH a couple of years ago with a recognised Master's degree, a strong internship in the Clinical field and it took me a whole year to find....a non-paid internship! :/ It was very frustrating! I registered to all the newsletters, attended psychology conferences, was registered at the Association Vaudoise de Psychologues etc etc...Eventually I got a job in a completely different field, loved it and decided to go back to school in order to get another diploma...
Hope it works out for you!
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I still think you only need a Master's degree or perhaps even just a Bachelor's Degree to call yourself a psychologist in Switzerland. In the USA, you need a doctorate to call yourself a psychologist. Am I wrong? If I am, please let me know.
That is correct. If you want your own practive you than need a weiterbuilding like the jung institute.
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Re: Psychologists in Switzerland

Hi All

I wonder if someone may be able to assist me.

I am currently doing my final year Masters in Counselling Psychology in South Africa. My fiancé has now been relocated to Geneva. I was wondering if you could give me some assistance with the process of becoming a psychologist/ registering in Switzerland.

Here in South Africa, after completion of degree, we need to do a 1 year internship, and then write the health professionals of South Africa board exam to qualify.

What board/association do we need to be affiliated with. Does Switzerland also require an internship before being able to practice?

Thank You In Advance
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First you would need to have your qualifications recognised.

The Psychology Professions Commission (PsyCo) is responsible for recognition of foreign higher education qualifications as well as continuing education and training qualifications in areas falling within the scope of the Psychology Professions Act (PsyPA, SR 935.81).

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You also have the problem that as a non-EU national you're last in the jobs queue as priority is given to Swiss/EU nationals. The hiring criteria is here:

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

What nationality is your fiancé? When do you plan to marry? Because the easiest way to get around the non-EU hiring regulations is to get a dependent's permit via your marriage. If your fiancé has a B permit then you would be able to work without needing prior approval, if he has an L though any employer would have to make a request on your behalf for you to be able to work for them. And both are still dependent on getting your qualifications recognised here first of course.
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Re: Psychologists in Switzerland

Dear original poster,

Set up a clinic treating English speakers. The waiting line for even the Swiss "life line" is Spring 2017

All the best for your job search

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