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Job opportunity for US graduate

Hi. I am Rahman. And, I am originally from Azerbaijan, but currently studying bachelor in MIS (IT) at Texas Tech University, in USA.

Because I am from Europe, and got used to it's lifestyle, I would like to return to Europe after I get my Bachelor and Master degree in IT.
I want to live and work in Switzerland. BTW, in addition to English, I know German, Russian, and Turkish as well


1. I need your advise about the job opportunity for non-EU citizens, who
wants to work in Switzerland.
2. Is it possible to find a job with a US degree in Europe. In other words,
how valuable is the US degree over there?

Please advise



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Re: Job opportunity for US graduate

1. No, it's very difficult as priority is given to Swiss/EU nationals.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...zulassung.html

2. Not very compared to a European one I think, but it may depend on the uni you attend. And you'd need several years of actual work experience to go with it before any employer would probably be able to hire you as outlined in the link given.

"Cadre, specialists and other qualified employees will be admitted. "Qualified employee" means, first and foremost, people with a degree from a university or institution of higher education as well as several years of professional experience."

Just graduating isn't going to get you hired here when there are plenty of Swiss/EU nationals with IT degrees to choose from.
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Old 30.09.2015, 09:18
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Because I am from Europe, and got used to it's lifestyle, I would like to return to Europe

1. I need your advise about the job opportunity for non-EU citizens
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Old 30.09.2015, 10:24
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Re: Job opportunity for US graduate

Every time I've been in a networking event for graduates etc, the non-EU people always get the same looks from HR. Yes we understand you have awesome credentials (ETH for example) but unfortunately the Migrationsamt will never give you a permit because they would save the limited amount for people with more experience etc.

I guess it's probably the same story with the US. Unless you're a PhD and you did something crazy, I doubt someone would hire you with no industry experience when there would be many more US citizens with very similar qualifications.
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Re: Job opportunity for US graduate

As others have pointed out, it isn't impossible, but certainly difficult to find work as a newly graduated, non EU individual. What I would suggest is finding internships over the summer or after you graduate to get an idea of what it's like to be living here. I know a couple of Canadian and US graduates who have successfully transitioned from internships to full time jobs. It is possible, but only the best and most persevering ones make it. Ask your international office if they offer any intern/study abroad programs. Apply for grants and scholarships to cover the costs. Good luck
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erm... but the Ural as the Europe-Asia border ends a bit more right, no?
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erm... but the Ural as the Europe-Asia border ends a bit more right, no?
True, true. In my haste I forgot to add Russia west of the Urals. Still the point regarding Azerbaijan remains the same. They may have won Eurovision and are a member of UEFA, but the country is definitely not in Europe.
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Re: Job opportunity for US graduate

well well

He said he is originally from a Non EU country but it has nothing to do with EU citizenship, he might have EU citizenship actually

I do not know any rule about being born in a non EU country will never let you have a EU citizenship...

let us be more welcome instead of drawing virtual borders
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well well

He said he is originally from a Non EU country but it has nothing to do with EU citizenship, he might have EU citizenship actually

I do not know any rule about being born in a non EU country will never let you have a EU citizenship...

let us be more welcome instead of drawing virtual borders
"1. I need your advise about the job opportunity for non-EU citizens ..."

I think it's pretty obvious he doesn't.
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"1. I need your advise about the job opportunity for non-EU citizens ..."

I think it's pretty obvious he doesn't.
Sorry my bad

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1. I need your advise about the job opportunity for non-EU citizens, who
wants to work in Switzerland.
2. Is it possible to find a job with a US degree in Europe. In other words,
how valuable is the US degree over there?
Mate, you will definetely have problems
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currently studying bachelor in MIS (IT) at Texas Tech University, in USA.
As has Medea has correctly pointed out your chance of finding a company willing to sponsor you, non-EU fresh grad with little relevant work experience, is small, and the chance of a company being granted a permit for you even smaller.

As you pursue your career in MIS/IT, you do need to understand how the IT employment landscape has changed in Switzerland. Yes, in days gone by many expats were brought to Switzerland to fill the need for IT expertise that the Swiss did not have. But those days are largely over - Switzerland is now simply too expensive for all but a very small subset of IT work.

IT is being done in low cost locations: Eastern Europe, in Asia, and now back in the US. The skills are needed, but the days of high salaries are over as most IT jobs can be moved elsewhere.

If Europe is your ultimate goal, why not make a long term plan? There are many European countries in the US. Look for a job with the US arm of a company with offices in Europe, with the goal to make a name for yourself, to gather the experience and expertise needed to convince your employer that you are valuable enough to transfer back to a European office.

By the way, both of the big Swiss Banks have established IT facilities in the US low cost heartland. Wages are average for the region, so not dazzling, but it might be a foot in the door.

What languages do you speak? Obviously you would be wise to have German (French, Italian) fluency to work in Switzerland, but since so many Swiss companies have moved IT work to eastern Europe if you have additional languages that would help you stand out.

Wishing you all the best.
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Re: Job opportunity for US graduate

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Hi. I am Rahman. And, I am originally from Azerbaijan, but currently studying bachelor in MIS (IT) at Texas Tech University, in USA.

Because I am from Europe, and got used to it's lifestyle, I would like to return to Europe after I get my Bachelor and Master degree in IT.
I want to live and work in Switzerland. BTW, in addition to English, I know German, Russian, and Turkish as well


1. I need your advise about the job opportunity for non-EU citizens, who
wants to work in Switzerland.
2. Is it possible to find a job with a US degree in Europe. In other words,
how valuable is the US degree over there?

Please advise



Thanks
Bro, regardless of your plan to go to Switzerland, if I were you I would RUN, but RUN FAST, from "IT" (back office of banks, pharmas, etc.). As melloncollie pointed out, IT has been offshored elsewhere but CH. Nowdays you have millions of smart Indians that can do the job for a tenth of the cost. You should go to Silicon Valley and join a startup, you will be much more rewarded.
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Hi. I am Rahman. And, I am originally from Azerbaijan, but currently studying bachelor in MIS (IT) at Texas Tech University, in USA.

Because I am from Europe, and got used to it's lifestyle, I would like to return to Europe after I get my Bachelor and Master degree in IT.
I want to live and work in Switzerland. BTW, in addition to English, I know German, Russian, and Turkish as well

1. I need your advise about the job opportunity for non-EU citizens, who
wants to work in Switzerland.
2. Is it possible to find a job with a US degree in Europe. In other words,
how valuable is the US degree over there?

Please advise

Thanks
Switzerland has international traineeship exchange agreements with 13 non-EU countries, including the US and Russia, allowing young people to work here. This document details the programme:

https://www.eda.admin.ch/content/dam...ires-CHE-e.pdf

Added:
I now see that you are Azerbaijani. Was thinking that you might be Russian. This programme probably won't work for you. Sorry.

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