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Old 19.08.2017, 14:38
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Hello, i am a dentist and i finished dentistry in Bosnia. I am married, and my wife and child have swiss passport (because my daughter was born in switzerland recently). I still dont have swiss passport as i was obligated to first finish dentistry. Does anyone know what the complete procedure is.for me to be able to work as a dentist in switzerland? I can have work permit, i also have very good knowledge of german language. So i need my diploma to be recognized.. what am i to do? Who is in charhe of recognizing my dentist diploma in switzerlandthe?
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You would need to have your qualifications recognised. This is the organisation to contact.

You are a doctor, dentist, veterinarian, pharmacist or chiropractor and would like to work in Switzerland?

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Federal Office of Public Health (FOPH)
MEBEKO
CH-3003 Bern
T +41 31 322 94 83
www.bag.admin.ch
MEBEKO-Ausbildung@bag.admin.ch
Same as was in post number 2. Since you're a non-EU national you may still need to retrain in Switzerland or another EU county. But FOPH will be able to tell you what needs to be done.
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Re: Non-EU, want to be a dentist in Switzerland

What does retrain exactly mean? Sorry for posting the same question on multiple threads.. woukd retrain mean going on some clinical practical training, doing a test on the whole knowledge, or redoing some exams on their dentist facukty?
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Old 19.08.2017, 16:52
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Re: Non EU Dentist, Work in a Dental Industry/any short term Dental Courses in Englis

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Hello, i am a dentist married and have a child. My wife and daughter have swiss passport, but i dont because i had to finish ny dentistry school. I finiahed it in bosnia and plan to finally re unite with my family in switzerland. Therefore im married ti a swiss citizen so i will have a work permit. I also have a good knowledge of german language. What is the procedure for me to work as a dentist in switzerland? Bosnia is in europe but not in the EU, so does anyone know any precise information about my case? Also, how long can the procedure take? I hope i wont have to re-study some part of dentistry in their dental university
Did you actually read any of the 57 threads that you are posting in?
Since you actually managed to find the information now you need to read it!

Remember when you were at university you had to actually read!
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Re: Non EU Dentist, Work in a Dental Industry/any short term Dental Courses in Englis

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Did you actually read any of the 57 threads that you are posting in?
Since you actually managed to find the information now you need to read it!

Remember when you were at university you had to actually read!
Yes but i didnt actually see any case about someone that is already married and has a child with a swiss citizen.. does that make it any easier for me,? The threads i read are most about people that are either from out of europe, or within the EU but without any marriage or sth similar. Bosnia is Europe but not the EU
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Old 19.08.2017, 17:11
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Re: Non EU Dentist, Work in a Dental Industry/any short term Dental Courses in Englis

It is not the location, the permit or the nationality which is the 'problem'. The qualification you now have must be officially recognised by the relevant Swiss authorities.
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Re: Non EU Dentist, Work in a Dental Industry/any short term Dental Courses in Englis

[QUOTE=loyalty;2833949]Yes but i didnt actually see any case about someone that is already married and has a child with a swiss citizen.. does that make it any easier for me,? The threads i read are most about people that are either from out of europe, or within the EU but without any marriage or sth similar. Bosnia is Europe but not the EU[/QUOT]


If your qualifications are not recognized, they are not recognized no matter who you are married to. Even Swiss citizens who study outside need to have their no Swiss qualifications recognized and depending where there studied are at risk of rejection.

Being married to a Swiss doesn't make you special. Sorry
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Re: Non EU Dentist, Work in a Dental Industry/any short term Dental Courses in Englis

Well, i know people with bosnian dentist degree that have been working in switzerland and had it recognized. Its just that recently you cant get to a permit in switzerland, which i dont think makes me special, but gives me the opportunity to enter switzerland. I guess the recignition isnt changed in the way that they dont recignize diplomas they once did
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Re: Non-EU, want to be a dentist in Switzerland

May mean doing aother dental degree at another uni in an EU country (not possible in Switzerland), may mean doing tests here, I don't know. That's why you need to contact FOPH to find out.
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Re: Non-EU, want to be a dentist in Switzerland

Okay, thanks !
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Re: Non-EU, want to be a dentist in Switzerland

Hello people !

These days I have been contacting with various organizations in switzerland via email. I started from MEBEKO. They said that i would have to finish 2 years of master dentistry in their university, in order to be able to work in my own practice. The other option i have is to find an employer that would employ me, in whixh case i wouldnt have to go for the masters studiyng, but this depends on the canton. Various cantona have various opinions about auslander diploma.

So i contacted some cantons. For example, st gallen said no, but zurich said well maybe its possible, so they send me to contact an other address (about verification of auslander diploma).

They then sent me again to contact MEBEKO, whom i told that i have been contacting everyone i was told, and people just kept sendinf me to other addresses, which beought me back to MEBEKO (i made a whole circle). And i asked mebeko what now? You say its up to the cantons, they in the end say its up to you. All they did then was sent me the same email at the beginning..

My question for all of them was - what am i to do with my foreign diploma, having the right to work in switzerland and knowing the german language? My chance is that some cantons will approve, but nobody is acting serious enough.

Can anyone help me what to do further?

Sorry for the long posta and the mistakes in typing
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Re: Non-EU, want to be a dentist in Switzerland

Well we have same story. Only difference we made this circle at least 5 times. Never get a serious and final answer. That's why I asked for a person to give feedback who is non-eu (not married to a EU cirisen) and successfully gone through this process...

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Hello people !

These days I have been contacting with various organizations in switzerland via email. I started from MEBEKO. They said that i would have to finish 2 years of master dentistry in their university, in order to be able to work in my own practice. The other option i have is to find an employer that would employ me, in whixh case i wouldnt have to go for the masters studiyng, but this depends on the canton. Various cantona have various opinions about auslander diploma.

So i contacted some cantons. For example, st gallen said no, but zurich said well maybe its possible, so they send me to contact an other address (about verification of auslander diploma).

They then sent me again to contact MEBEKO, whom i told that i have been contacting everyone i was told, and people just kept sendinf me to other addresses, which beought me back to MEBEKO (i made a whole circle). And i asked mebeko what now? You say its up to the cantons, they in the end say its up to you. All they did then was sent me the same email at the beginning..

My question for all of them was - what am i to do with my foreign diploma, having the right to work in switzerland and knowing the german language? My chance is that some cantons will approve, but nobody is acting serious enough.

Can anyone help me what to do further?

Sorry for the long posta and the mistakes in typing
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Re: Non-EU, want to be a dentist in Switzerland

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Can anyone explain to me what the difference is between Zahnarzt and Assistenzzahnarzt? Regarding the job itself, salary, responsibility etc..

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Hello people !

Can anyone explain to me what the difference is between Zahnarzt and Assistenzzahnarzt? Regarding the job itself, salary, responsibility etc..

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Dentist and Dental assistant. Rest I can't comment
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Dentist and Dental assistant. Rest I can't comment
No that's not correct at all. A Dental Assistant here is more like a Dental Hygienist and that is something entirely different from an actual dentist.


An Assistenz(zahn)arzt is a fully licensed doctor, but typically one who is just starting out his career, without leadership responsibility (compared to let's say Oberarzt or Chefarzt or similar), and often one in education to become a specialist/specialized practitioner in some area or other. Same principle in both human medicine and dentistry.
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An dental assistant isn't the same as a dental hygienist. Dental assitants (Dentalassistent(-in) in German, called dental nurses in some countries) assist the dentist "chair-side," whereas dental hygienists usually work by themselves, just occasionally supervised by the dentist. And, as the term implies, they mainly do hygiene stuff, whereas the dental assistant prepares materials and instruments for the dentist and provide help inside and around the mouth ("four-handed dentistry").

In most practices, it's the dental assistant that also does most of the reception desk and admin work. That's because a dental assistant does not produce "invoiceable" work, while die DH does.

Outside of university clinics, Assistenzzahnärzte are dentists that do not run their own practice for some reason, such as gathering experience before opening their own or because their (foreign) diploma doesn't allow them to run a practice but is sufficient for working under the supervision of a fully licensed dentist. At universities, Assistenzzahnarzt is the lowest rank after graduation.
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An dental assistant isn't the same as a dental hygienist. Dental assitants (Dentalassistent(-in) in German, called dental nurses in some countries) assist the dentist "chair-side," whereas dental hygienists usually work by themselves, just occasionally supervised by the dentist. And, as the term implies, they mainly do hygiene stuff, whereas the dental assistant prepares materials and instruments for the dentist and provide help inside and around the mouth ("four-handed dentistry").

In most practices, it's the dental assistant that also does most of the reception desk and admin work. That's because a dental assistant does not produce "invoiceable" work, while die DH does.
Fair enough, so more like a Zahnarzthelferin here. Or kind of an MPA as I understand they are called these days (they probably have a different job title in dentistry).

Certainly not the same as an Assistenzarzt though
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No that's not correct at all. A Dental Assistant here is more like a Dental Hygienist and that is something entirely different from an actual dentist.

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As far as I know, a dental hygienist can also open her own praxis independently of a doctor's.
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Re: Non-EU, want to be a dentist in Switzerland

Thanks for all the replies !

Well it occured to me that the assistant dentist iis like the beginner statua in the world of dentistry. It just doesnt make sense that it is better paid to work as a dental jygienst than as a dentist assistant.

Does anyone know how much the salaries are for an assistant?
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Thanks for all the replies !

Well it occured to me that the assistant dentist iis like the beginner statua in the world of dentistry. It just doesnt make sense that it is better paid to work as a dental jygienst than as a dentist assistant.

Does anyone know how much the salaries are for an assistant?
Are you talking about a doctor (Assistenzarzt) now or a dental assistant?

If you refer to the low salaries of actual new dentists, that is indeed a disgrace, all things considered, but the same applies to other doctors, particularly if set against the hours they work.

An Assistenzzahnarzt can start with an annual salary of as low as 65k in some places, though it can also be 80k or so. They do tend to move up the income latter fairly quickly though.

I know MDs who stayed in research and earned a whopping 3500 a month. Just saying.
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Fair enough, so more like a Zahnarzthelferin here. Or kind of an MPA as I understand they are called these days (they probably have a different job title in dentistry).

Certainly not the same as an Assistenzarzt though
"Zahnarzthelferin" is a term that formerly was used in Germany (West), "zahnmedizinische Fachangestellte" these days. In Switzerland before the mid nineties or so it was "Zahnarztgehilfin." And yes, a medizinische Praxisangestellte (MPA) in a medical practice is roughly (I said roughly) what a Dentalassistentin is in dentistry.
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