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I am looking for a job change and was looking at several job portals. however, almost all the posted jobs are from an agency which although does not surprise me much. but what i don't understand is the behaviour of these recruitment companies. even though some jobs perfectly match my profile, after applying on the portal, i get an automated reply that the job application has been accepted and thats all, nothing more after that. it looks like these recruitment companies are playing their own game of maximising their profits, which means they do not present my profile to the employer. and some agencies reply back asking to fill some excel about the skillets which i am not interested at all. i know they want to use my profile in a way that is convenient and more profitable to them and intact it is me who will do the job (if i get it). does anybody know an easy way of getting around this? i remember in the past employers were more open and posting most of their jobs also on their websites, which means if somebody applies there it goes directly to the employer.

also, does anybody know the reputation of several agencies in zurich? are there any agencies that should be particularly avoided? as it is easy to guess, sometimes one job is posted by several agencies, so even if such a job matches my profile, i would like to have an idea with which agency i should proceed and which ones to avoid.

seriously, i can't understand why employers are so lazy in getting this done themselves. i guess it does not save them any costs as in the end, if they select a candidate proposed by an agency they have to pay a lot of money to the agency. it seems the laziness of the employers has opened up a very competitive situation for the job agencies which in the end looks like the job agencies work in a way to maximise their profits but not to propose the right candidate to the right job.

i see some jobs that exactly match my profile but am frustrated as i cannot get my resume to the employer as these jobs are all handled by the agencies and the employer is not revealed until you don't get proposed by the agency.
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Old 27.02.2016, 10:57
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Re: Recruitment companies

I have better experiences with the smaller agencies. A big one with an M and a P in the name was my worst experience, all promises and nothing happens, they even don´t bother to reply after you have met them personally.

My experience is also to work with agencies who are more specialized in my area of expertise.

In the end, the last jobs I got were through Xing/Linked-In contacts or someone I knew personally.

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Re: Recruitment companies

Interested in your post as I have put my CV on a couple of sites as No Agencies as I would like to make my own decision about where I work, not be told by a recruitment employee what to do. I too am irritated by the lack of information on some adverts. No indication of the area it's in or what sort of company is actually looking to fill the post. Just endless blah blah about being the leading agencies.
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Re: Recruitment companies

You'll have to work at several levels at the same time to get what you want. One good option for an overview of what jobs are available is http://www.jobs.ch/de/. Once you know which company is looking for someone like you it’s often better to contact them directly. I would contact the important companies directly and the others by such websites and agencies.


Just as companies have many applications you’ll have to apply to at least five companies at any time. Also if there’s no reply after two weeks just go for the next one. Whatever this method is nice or not or if you think you’ll deserve an answer doesn’t matter: that is how it goes and if you want a job you better play the way it works.
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Old 27.02.2016, 11:42
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Downside is that a lot of jobs are not advertised at all......! And that again is where you need the recruiting agencies
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Downside is that a lot of jobs are not advertised at all......! And that again is where you need the recruiting agencies
And then there are fake job advertisements by those agencies in the hope of attracting customers. Never believe something just because you have seen it on the internet.
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Re: Recruitment companies

Usually you can search (google) for terms, and particular unusual phrases in the job spec. Perhaps some term used slightly incorrectly, and identify multiple agencies advertising for the same job. Each description may be more revealing, location, responsibilities, etc. You might even dig up the company its self. Nothing to stop you applying to all agencies hawking the same job, but just make sure you state "please contact me before submitting my CV to the employer". This can multiply your chances. You may also uncover the employer, simply by learning that a given employer is looking for many with a given skillset.
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And then there are fake job advertisements by those agencies in the hope of attracting customers. Never believe something just because you have seen it on the internet.

Yes I believe you. some times a job is posted from an agency and when you apply , they will contact you not to discuss about the job but to get more details about your profile, skill sets etc and then add to their list of betting horses.

i think a good way not to get trapped is if a job is posted on several agencies with more or less same description, it could be considered genuine.

honestly, i feel these agencies destroy the efficiency of the job market which means the employers with a valid job cannot reach the right candidates and a job seeker with the right profile cannot reach the employer who needs her/him. in the end, it is these agencies who decide who should work where.

again if somebody have specific ideas about agencies to avoid and not comfortable writing the names here, please send me a PM so that i will be careful with these agencies.

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Re: Recruitment companies

I can't recommend the agencies, most of the copy the original text from
the real vacancies and do "search", somebody has to pay for it. It is possible,
that a vacancy is published like 4 times, once from the real company, and the
others are agencies. But there is only one vacancy, but you get up to 4 times
the applications.
Agencies make the most money , when they got somebody , who is working for them(temporary) and the can succesfully provide a candidate. The fee could be
up to 50%of the yearly salary from the candidate.
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Re: Recruitment companies

Don't waste your time with recruiters. They just collect CV's like spaghetti - throw them at the clients wall and hope one remains sticking there.
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Old 27.02.2016, 22:51
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I have better experiences with the smaller agencies. A big one with an M and a P in the name was my worst experience, all promises and nothing happens, they even don´t bother to reply after you have met them personally.

My experience is also to work with agencies who are more specialized in my area of expertise.

In the end, the last jobs I got were through Xing/Linked-In contacts or someone I knew personally.

Good luck!
Not sure why you don't name Michael Paige. The most unprofessional, talent less organisation from top to bottom I have ever dealt with both as an employer and job seeker.
I have dealt with the low level recruiter and senior management and to be honest you cant tell the difference. Recruiters who have no idea of their specific business area and senior management who should be managing McDonald's (no disrespect to McD's employees)
A terrible company and I actually have no idea how it still exists.

As someone mentioned, find the smaller recruitment companies who will actually work for you and apply direct to companies.
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Old 29.02.2016, 10:43
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And then there are fake job advertisements by those agencies in the hope of attracting customers. Never believe something just because you have seen it on the internet.
Not necessarily fake, but copied from companies' webpages and then they claim they have a "mandate" to fill that job, when they really don't, but are using it as their way in. Or so they think as at least most MNCs by now have a preferred agency list and will refuse to accept applications from any other agency (if that is fair or not is another debate).

It's been many years since I've last looked for a job in the market, but frankly OP, I have yet to find an agency worth their salt. Most are crap. They don't care much about you and more about themselves and most will not actually help unless you just happen to fill a certain profile 100%. Most also have not the faintest idea about the market, let alone have any real relationships with companies, so whatever they tell you, you can pretty much figure that out on your own. It is a pure sales thing these days, nothing to do with recruiting, which is also reflected by the fact that most of those so-called consultants have no relevant background whatsoever.

Also, in my experience, most agencies on the commercial side limit themselves to administration or secretarial jobs and/or junior positions, and if you're specialized and/or more experienced, yet not so senior that you could turn to an actual headhunter (i.e. those who deserve that name), they won't know what to do with you anyway.

There is one that I found half-decent, but again, that was years ago. They had a different name a few years ago, but I think they call themselves Art of Work now and they have several offices in Switzerland.

If you find a good agency, let me know, though Until then, I recommend to simply look on companies' webpages directly as well as on LinkedIn, which is becoming more important even here.
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Re: Recruitment companies

I work in the area of 'IT contractors' for a multinational company in Switzerland. We have three preferred agencies that all get the position description at the same time. I might add one or two 'secondary' agencies, depending on the job. This might explain why you see the same job description posted by multiple agencies.


We prefer to work through agencies as by law contractors need to work through them (although exceptions exist). We do not have the resources to shift through hundreds of CV's, search for new ones, weed out the nut cases etc. so we use the agencies to do this. They will typically submit 3 to 4 people for each job, leaving the hiring manager with a total of 10 to 20 CV's to review, and then interview half of that.


So the agencies do provide a valuable service to large companies.
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They will typically submit 3 to 4 people for each job,
The 3 to 4 they they stand to make the most money out of? ;-)
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The 3 to 4 they they stand to make the most money out of? ;-)

The 3 to 4 they think are most likely to get the job (else they will make no money).


It is up to the contractor to negotiate up front the margin the agency gets. This can be anywhere from 25% to 10% with a 2% reduction per year.


We assign a skill level to each open position, and there is an upper and lower limit rate for each skill level (total to the agency).


Government and manufacturing pays better than banking and insurance. Oddly, jobs in Zurich and Geneva pay less than Bern and Basel.


I agree with most posters here that it is best to go to the smaller agencies, but not so small they are not on the 'preferred vendor list' of any of the MNC. Find out what MNC's they work for and negotiate the margin up front. Signing up with a bunch of agencies is a bad idea. Pick one and if you are not happy with them then you can always switch later.
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Re: Recruitment companies

My hubby had a great experience with Randstad a couple of years ago, he's in IT and they were recruiting for one of the big banks. They were friendly, communicative and professional in every way from the word go so highly recommend applying via them if you see a role advertised at multiple places and don't know who to do with.
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Don't know what area you're working in, but according to my experience most larger companies use their 'preferred recruitment agencies'.

So for example Credit Suisse used Swisslinx as one of theirs 5 years ago (no idea if this has changed). You need to ask / find out if the agency is the companies preferred partner to be considered to be put on top of the application pile.

I would still go directly to the companies, according to what's advertised on their web-site as first choice - it's also cheaper for the employer, your CV will get there faster and remain on their database.

Just talking from experience though...
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Has anyone got any idea why a recruitment company would go to great pains to let you think they're based in Switzerland when it's blatantly obvious that they're actually in London? To the extent that when you ask where they're calling from (so you can decide whether to include the international prefix in the phone number that they've just asked for) they say, "Um, never mind..."

All very odd.
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All very odd.

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Has anyone got any idea why a recruitment company would go to great pains to let you think they're based in Switzerland when it's blatantly obvious that they're actually in London? To the extent that when you ask where they're calling from (so you can decide whether to include the international prefix in the phone number that they've just asked for) they say, "Um, never mind..."

All very odd.
Probably because they don't have the licence and bonds necessary to operate here.....
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