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Some examples I found on this article of Tagesanzeiger translated to EF emojis:

  • «Wir waren mit seinen Leistungen stets sehr zufrieden»
  • «Sie war stets freundlich, zuvorkommend und korrekt»
  • «Wir würden sie jederzeit wieder einstellen»

  • «Er arbeitete stets gut»
  • «Seine Leistungen waren überdurchschnittlich»
  • «Sie war stets freundlich und korrekt»
  • «Wir bedauern seinen Austritt»

  • «Seine Leistungen waren zufriedenstellend»
  • «Sie erledigte ihre Aufgaben zu unserer Zufriedenheit»
  • «Mit ihren Leistungen waren wir zufrieden»
  • «Sein Verhalten war einwandfrei»

  • «Er bemühte sich, die Arbeiten bestens zu erledigen»
  • «Er gab stets sein Bestes»
  • «Sie zeigte für ihre Arbeit Verständnis»
  • «Wir schätzten seinen grossen Eifer»
  • «Sie bemühte sich, ihre Aufgaben so gut wie möglich zu erfüllen»
  • «Sie setzte all ihre Fähigkeiten ein»
  • «Er erledigte alle Aufgaben ordnungsgemäss»
  • «Sie bemühte sich stets um gute Vorschläge»
  • «Sie machte sich mit grossem Eifer an die Aufgaben heran»
  • «Er erledigte die ihm übertragenen Aufgaben mit grossem Fleiss»
  • «Sie zeigte grosses Einfühlungsvermögen»
  • «Er trug zur Verbesserung des Arbeitsklimas bei»
  • «Sein Verhalten war korrekt»
  • «Der Austritt erfolgt in gegenseitigem Einverständnis»

So as you can see, some codes are very tricky to understand...
But these are the "codes", which should never be be included in a reference since years...
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Old 06.05.2016, 22:43
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In Switzerland (as far as I know) they are an integral part to any job application i.e. CV + references etc.
The background check is also usual nowadays here (credit reference, criminal register and so on).

Is this not the same in the U.K. / other countries ?
Depends on the role, but unfortunately not. I really wish the credit check was requested for cash and credit card access roles, but I can see why it's not because anyone who is legally seperated has an atrocious credit score until the financial settlement is resolved.

I've known a colleague claim to have a broken ankle and go on long term sick leave, only to appear a few weeks later on 'Deal Or No Deal'. I've also known a client's credit card details to be used to pay someone's mobile phone bill. I hate that because everyone who ever has access comes under a cloud of mistrust. Luckily for us, the culprit turned out to be a hotel reception worker.

My OH always has to go through the criminal records check, but I never have even though I've had access to millions on credit cards.
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Old 07.05.2016, 07:32
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In Switzerland (as far as I know) they are an integral part to any job application i.e. CV + references etc.
The background check is also usual nowadays here (credit reference, criminal register and so on).

Is this not the same in the U.K. / other countries ?
Reference checks are used in Australia as are background checks but written reference letters are a COMPLETE waste of time and actually ignored as they are considered to be useless. There is far more reliance on speaking to references and independently checking people out, written letters are not trusted at all due to the ease of faking the content.
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Reference checks are used in Australia as are background checks but written reference letters are a COMPLETE waste of time and actually ignored as they are considered to be useless. There is far more reliance on speaking to references and independently checking people out, written letters are not trusted at all due to the ease of faking the content.
This is not Australia. Reference letters matter in Switzerland.
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Old 07.05.2016, 11:31
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Re: They wrote this in my reference letter ...

Jeez. You try to write a guy a nice reference and they get advice from the Internet and threaten to sue you if you don't change it. If I were them I'd re-write it.

"xxxxx worked at company xxxxxx in the role xxxxxxx between xxxxxx and xxxxxx".

Happy now?
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Old 07.05.2016, 11:45
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Jeez. You try to write a guy a nice reference...
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" ... [he] made an effort...
Mr L. didn't like the sound of it much. He wasn't in PR but was involved in selecting new Apprentices so got used to 'interpreting' the things people 'didn't say'.
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Old 07.05.2016, 12:05
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This is not Australia. Reference letters matter in Switzerland.
Read the question dumbwit! It asked what the position in other countries was
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Old 07.05.2016, 12:09
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Jeez. You try to write a guy a nice reference and they get advice from the Internet and threaten to sue you if you don't change it. If I were them I'd re-write it.

"xxxxx worked at company xxxxxx in the role xxxxxxx between xxxxxx and xxxxxx".

Happy now?
You should know by now that the default position of anyone on EF is to sue others and to use the EF for advice when you dont get your way elsewhere

One of the reasons why the EF has a reputation in the general expat community as sonething to avoid
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Old 07.05.2016, 12:15
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Re: They wrote this in my reference letter ...

Regardless of whether this reference letter in question contains coded negative messages or not, the reaction to it on this message board is a big reason why many companies in the United States do not allow ANY employees to give professional references to anybody leaving the company. Even if the references are positive, they don't want to get sued by anybody claiming that they are leaving "coded messages."
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Old 07.05.2016, 12:54
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Regardless of whether this reference letter in question contains coded negative messages or not, the reaction to it on this message board is a big reason why many companies in the United States do not allow ANY employees to give professional references to anybody leaving the company. Even if the references are positive, they don't want to get sued by anybody claiming that they are leaving "coded messages."
Highlights how far behind the times Switzerland is in this space
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Highlights how far behind the times Switzerland is in this space
Switzerland isn't the only country where reference letters are an employees right... there's also those little known countries of Germany and Austria who practise it.
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Switzerland isn't the only country where reference letters are an employees right... there's also those little known countries of Germany and Austria who practise it.
Even if they are an employees right the point is they are a waste of time, I am surprised the verbal word and verbal references dont carry more weight. They certainly do elsewhere and they are worth a lot more then some written piece of paper that has been written so carefully as to say almost nothing
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Hi everyone, a company I worked for and it is now legally non-existent wrote the following in the reference letter:

" ... [he] made an effort during his time at XXX to find constructive and effective approaches to solving conflicts both within and outside the team"

I personally find it true and very positive but I am a bit paranoid about the Swiss technique (Oh man I'm Swiss too now ) of encoding hidden messages within a reference letter to screw you forever after . Do you think it is legit and not an encoding? What would your guts tell you if you read that in a reference letter and you are a prospective employer? Probably "what kind of conflicts are they talking about ???"


The Company is no more, how can you Change your reference letter at this Point?
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My interpretation:
Beware: This guy was always involved in conflicts. Not only did we suffer from this, but others as well.

The key point is not whether any attempts to the resolve conflicts were successful or otherwise, but the fact that these conflicts occurred in the first place, also involving people outside the team, painting a picture of a cantankerous, quarrelsome old bugger.

Hey. And this could be confirmed by your reputation on this forum. Right ?
So right!

Haha, somebody who calls himself Mr. Maquiavelo does not have to pray for problems for very long, I suppose. And now he is surprised to find it reflected in his recommendation letter. What a surprise! And somebody who does not even know how to write it correctly (Maquiavelo ), I would not even accept as a clerk, or "Bürogummi" in good old Swiss German. You just made my day, mister! Thank you!
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«Sie zeigte für ihre Arbeit Verständnis»



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Re: They wrote this in my reference letter ...

Could you guys please give your opinion on the ending of my recommendation letter. So most of the letter sounds good to me, with enough superlatives etc, but then it ends like this:

xxx left xxx at the end of her time-limited contract. In summary, we can recommend her to you without any reservations. We wish her all the best for the future, both professionally and personally.

It's the middle sentence I'm concerned about. There is no "we HIGHLY recommend" or similar. Like this it sounds a bit bad. Or am I just paranoid? What's your thoughts??
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Could you guys please give your opinion on the ending of my recommendation letter. So most of the letter sounds good to me, with enough superlatives etc, but then it ends like this:

xxx left xxx at the end of her time-limited contract. In summary, we can recommend her to you without any reservations. We wish her all the best for the future, both professionally and personally.

It's the middle sentence I'm concerned about. There is no "we HIGHLY recommend" or similar. Like this it sounds a bit bad. Or am I just paranoid? What's your thoughts??
"without any reservations" qualifies the recommendation.

You're being paranoid.
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xxx left xxx at the end of her time-limited contract. In summary, we can recommend her to you without any reservations. We wish her all the best for the future, both professionally and personally. . .
It is very good. A recommendation is normally given only in the case of very good employees according to the following extract (page 8) from (Ger: ) http://www.sageschweiz.ch/Portals/13...itszeugnis.pdf :
Eine Empfehlung sollte nur bei besonders guten Arbeitnehmern aufgenommen werden, da dies quasi eine Aufforderung darstellt, den Bewerber anzustellen.
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Old 14.07.2016, 15:02
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In summary, we can recommend her to you without any reservations. We wish her all the best for the future, both professionally and personally.

It's the middle sentence I'm concerned about. There is no "we HIGHLY recommend" or similar. Like this it sounds a bit bad. Or am I just paranoid? What's your thoughts??
I know nothing about coded messages but I don't think 'we highly recommend her to you' is even English. As said previously 'recommend her to you without any reservations' is, from an English language point of view, 'top notch'. Congratulations.
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Re: They wrote this in my reference letter ...

I got my final reference letter and I'm very pleased with it so I'd like to thank all the people who helped me with their helpful replies. The codes were exactly those shown in a table (very very helpful thanks!).
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