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RAV Job Application During Notice Period

How many jobs do the RAV expect me to apply during notice period. Not sure if my German was good enough to understand but it is 12-14 for the whole period or is it 12-14 for each month.

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Old 31.05.2016, 21:18
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Re: RAV Job Application During Notice Period

I do not know if there is a fixed amount but more 10 per month than 10 in the whole period!

May all depend on who will be your case worker and what job history you have?
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How many jobs do the RAV expect me to apply during notice period. Not sure if my German was good enough to understand but it is 12-14 for the whole period or is it 12-14 for each month.

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Usually 10 plus a month, you can apply for jobs anywhere in the world if there are not enough 'suitable' jobs advertised. For info you can also apply for 'any' job that takes your fancy, it does not even need to match your qualifications.
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Re: RAV Job Application During Notice Period

Thanks I thought they said 12-14 for the whole period (2 1/2 months) but then I got penalised saying that I did not do enough effort for this period but I could appeal this.
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Old 31.05.2016, 21:37
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Usually 10 plus a month, you can apply for jobs anywhere in the world if there are not enough 'suitable' jobs advertised. For info you can also apply for 'any' job that takes your fancy, it does not even need to match your qualifications.
But if you're offered the job, don't you have to take it or get another penalty?
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Old 31.05.2016, 21:39
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Re: RAV Job Application During Notice Period

Surely they don't expect you to apply for that many jobs during your notice period? I mean, during one's notice period one is theoretically working full-time, so 40 hours a week. What happens if applications lead to loads of interviews? You are working, you can't just disappear for interviews every few days.
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Surely they don't expect you to apply for that many jobs during your notice period? I mean, during one's notice period one is theoretically working full-time, so 40 hours a week. What happens if applications lead to loads of interviews? You are working, you can't just disappear for interviews every few days.


By law your existing employer has to let you go to interviews during work time.
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But if you're offered the job, don't you have to take it or get another penalty?


If your offered a job paying the right sort of salary then yes. If the job is the head of a brain surgery unit, you won't be offered the job, but your looking outside your normal field which is a legal requirement so acceptable to the RAV
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Surely they don't expect you to apply for that many jobs during your notice period? I mean, during one's notice period one is theoretically working full-time, so 40 hours a week. What happens if applications lead to loads of interviews? You are working, you can't just disappear for interviews every few days.
In fact, you can, it's by law
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If your offered a job paying the right sort of salary then yes. If the job is the head of a brain surgery unit, you won't be offered the job, but your looking outside your normal field which is a legal requirement so acceptable to the RAV
Umm, no.

You can look for jobs that you are over qualified for, but not under-qualified.

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Old 31.05.2016, 21:51
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Thanks I thought they said 12-14 for the whole period (2 1/2 months) but then I got penalised saying that I did not do enough effort for this period but I could appeal this.
The RAV are less forgiving than Vlad the Impaler, and getting off to a bad start with them and your berater is never a good idea. Any confusion will be deemed yours, unless you have documents to the contrary, (and you have said you weren't sure), it might have been prudent to take a translator, or get confirmation of exactly what they meant.

They will expect you to actively look for work from the date of your notice period, and will expect evidence of that. Unless you are absolutely certain of your position and you are in the right, treat the RAV like the Borg... resistance is futile.
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Old 31.05.2016, 22:02
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Umm, no.

You can look for jobs that you are over qualified for, but not under-qualified.

Tom
I have very few qualifications but earned a well above average salary. The RAV were perfectly happy when I applied for high powered jobs. Jobs requiring no qualifications paid about 1/3 of what I was earning.

Edit, I was also told that the RAV would pay for training if any company required further skills after having an interview.
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... resistance is futile.
I know a guy who got a job starting three weeks after his RAV enslavement started. He was less than chuffed to hear from them that his non payment period was extended from 12 days to 21 despite meeting all of their requirements of him, just long enough for them to be able to say well done and you get no money from us.
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By law your existing employer has to let you go to interviews during work time.
Yes but a rule of thumb here is about half a day a week, not unlimited time off. There's no law that would clearly stipulate a maximum time, though.

OP, it's about 10 a month. Of course adrianlondon has a point, but this is a bureaucratic process that just works in way X and allows no room for way Y. I'd rather just send a random amount of applications to jobs even if they are no fit for you whatsoever than send too few applications at all. Of course that makes zero sense, but as said, process. Also expect to continue sending applications even if you've found a job (if that job is not immediately following your current one) and same here, don't question it, just do it...
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Re: RAV Job Application During Notice Period

The number of job applications required is a subjective decision made by the RAV advisor but about 10 per month might be a typical number.

Generally, RAV advisors like to see job applications being made every week and not bunched together at the end of the month - this shows that the "insured person" is making an effort to find a job and not just comply with a RAV requirement.
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Re: RAV Job Application During Notice Period

my 2 kopeiks from recent experience

10-12 per month (as mentioned above from the day of notice)
play by the rules and try to build up a good relationship with your advisor
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Re: RAV Job Application During Notice Period

The form has place for 14 but expected 8-10. If not sure ask your case manager.
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How many jobs do the RAV expect me to apply during notice period. Not sure if my German was good enough to understand but it is 12-14 for the whole period or is it 12-14 for each month.
Ask them.

The moment you get your Kündigung you should make a beeline for the RAV to register, ideally already able to show a nominal number of applications to demonstrate your enthusiasm. If memory, vaguely, serves correctly they'll be somewhat less draconian during the notice period (unless you've received garden leave) but after that you'll be told what your target is. Either way they'll tell you how many during and after the notice period.

Ten per month is a very rough estimate of the applications they'll expect you to make, but it really comes down to the Berater that's assigned to you. Some are very sound and understanding, others are complete a**holes. Luck of the draw.

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The form has place for 14 but expected 8-10. If not sure ask your case manager.
Fun fact: If you for some reason are serious about that job search can you even photocopy the form and make more applications!
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Old 01.06.2016, 16:34
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Fun fact: If you for some reason are serious about that job search can you even photocopy the form and make more applications!
Or just download the form from the internet.
http://www.treffpunkt-arbeit.ch/date..._V6_0_korr.pdf
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