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Old 30.06.2016, 17:18
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Lol. Well, sure they can, they just won't get any money for several months after coming back. This isn't some charity handout, it's an insurance for people who lost their job for some reason or other to cover them through the immediate financial implications of that. Of course it's being abused left and right, but still. If someone has enough money to go chill on some beach, that's hardly a "difficult situation" and obviously they have enough money that could be spent helping them get through the time of unemployment.
Rubbish, total BS. I quit my job in Oct 2008 and registered with the RAV in April 2009 and was punished just 4 days because I hadn't been looking for work hard enough. RAV payment has nothing what so ever to do with "immediate financial implications". RAV is not social money.
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Old 30.06.2016, 17:21
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What is exactly this rahemenfrist?

Whatever it is though, he can't open it now. only when he's back to Switzerland in however months. He doesn't have one as of yet.
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Hospital or prison are the first ones that come to mind.


Strange story, I agree on that
Rahmenfrist is a set time within which you get unemployment money. When it's over it doesn't matter if you might have days left to collect, the time is up.

Should your friend be ill, it would be intelligent to bring back a medical certificate from where he is now. "nützts nüüt so schadts nüüt" as we say here, meaning it won't harm and you rather bring one paper too many.

addition: If he's in prison he should also bring the paper, might help. After all that has nothing to do with unemployment money

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Old 30.06.2016, 17:25
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Rubbish, total BS. I quit my job in Oct 2008 and registered with the RAV in April 2009 and was punished just 4 days because I hadn't been looking for work hard enough. RAV payment has nothing what so ever to do with "immediate financial implications". RAV is not social money.


From what I hear RAV has become much stricter and willing to apply the full strenghth of the law/their possibilities than a couple of years ago.
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Old 30.06.2016, 17:53
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Re: RAV - postponing start of:

"Rahmenfrist is a set time within which you get unemployment money. When it's over it doesn't matter if you might have days left to collect, the time is up."

Technically, under some circumstances, it is possible to obtain a new Rahmenfrist when the first one has run out, e.g., in the case of Zwischendienst (interim job) during the first Rahmenfrist. In some cases it is also possible to extend a Rahmenfrist beyond the normal two years.
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Old 30.06.2016, 17:58
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Rubbish, total BS. I quit my job in Oct 2008 and registered with the RAV in April 2009 and was punished just 4 days because I hadn't been looking for work hard enough. RAV payment has nothing what so ever to do with "immediate financial implications". RAV is not social money.
And the thought that in the past 7 years things might have changed never crossed your mind?

And yes of course unemployment money is there to help those who are unemployed through no fault of their own. Not those who feel the need to quit and travel for a while. Which is what my post was referring to (it wasn't referring to the exact situation OP's "friend" is supposedly in). I perfectly understand the desire to take off time from work and have done so myself, but I didn't exactly expect to come back and get money on the first day after return. Just proves my point of the system being abused, but anyway.

In the case here, it still doesn't solve the problem that he never registered in the first place, hence did absolutely nothing during his notice period. And very likely isn't doing anything now either. I'd be extremely surprised if that were punished with just four days of no payment.

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Old 30.06.2016, 22:43
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"Rahmenfrist is a set time within which you get unemployment money. When it's over it doesn't matter if you might have days left to collect, the time is up."

Technically, under some circumstances, it is possible to obtain a new Rahmenfrist when the first one has run out, e.g., in the case of Zwischendienst (interim job) during the first Rahmenfrist. In some cases it is also possible to extend a Rahmenfrist beyond the normal two years.
True, sorry, my mistake
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Old 30.06.2016, 22:45
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Rubbish, total BS. I quit my job in Oct 2008 and registered with the RAV in April 2009 and was punished just 4 days because I hadn't been looking for work hard enough. RAV payment has nothing what so ever to do with "immediate financial implications". RAV is not social money.
Those were the days .....
RAV is the job-center (if we wanna be really precise), Arbeitslosenkasse is the one that pays. Arbeitslosengeld is an insurance, true, but it has more obstacles than even my liability-insurance has
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Old 30.06.2016, 23:05
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"Rahmenfrist is a set time within which you get unemployment money. When it's over it doesn't matter if you might have days left to collect, the time is up."

Technically, under some circumstances, it is possible to obtain a new Rahmenfrist when the first one has run out, e.g., in the case of Zwischendienst (interim job) during the first Rahmenfrist. In some cases it is also possible to extend a Rahmenfrist beyond the normal two years.
I had 4 rahemnfrists in a row, based on part time work, you need to work at least 12 months in 24 month, days or in money equivalent. I always got the full 400 days as most months they paid zero or very little. My insured salary increased to the max which pissed them off no end.
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Old 01.07.2016, 00:22
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My insured salary increased to the max which pissed them off no end.
Easy in the days before they upped it to 148200.

Surely, I can't imagine public workers earning 8700-9400/month (max RAV payment).

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Old 01.07.2016, 00:27
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Easy in the days before they upped it to 148200.

Tom
The great thing is you could earn 74,100 in the year, by working just the last 6 months & get an insured salary of 148,200. The 126,000 limit was a bummer.
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Re: RAV - postponing start of:

About 15 years ago, you could open a Rahmenfrist (define the terms of unemployment pay) but postpone payments (and the requirement to look for a job) for up to two years, without any negative consequences.

So in effect and if that still applies, you could inform RAV about your unemployment now, postpone payments and looking for a job until e.g. start of 2018, and then start looking for a job and draw the 400 days you are due.

Mind though, being Swiss I'm completely unaware of any restrictions that may apply to other nationalities.
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Old 01.07.2016, 12:31
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Mind though, being Swiss I'm completely unaware of any restrictions that may apply to other nationalities.
The rules will be the same for everybody who is entitled to a residence permit. So EU B + all C permit holders.
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Re: RAV - postponing start of:

A possibly relevant update to this thread:

If one has a very long notice period (six months), one may be advised to return at a later date to register. It is possible to register as soon as one receives one's notice, but then one is required to attend monthly meetings which - if one is still working full time - might be somewhat inconvenient.

Direct advice, straight from the horse's mouth.

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If one has a very long notice period (six months), one may be advised to return at a later date to register. It is possible to register as soon as one receives one's notice, but then one is required to attend monthly meetings which - if one is still working full time - might be somewhat inconvenient.

Direct advice, straight from the horse's mouth.

If your working you don't need to show up for monthly meetings as working is a valid excuse. I missed about 25 appointments due to working whilst unemployed. The RAV generally don't know the rules that well, especially where 'working' is involved.

Your employer has to allow you to take time off during your normal work time to find a new job, that may indeed be inconvenient to your employer, however thats unlucky for them & you don't need to be too concerned with that.
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