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EU citizen, B permit, employed since March, involuntary unemployment

Hello everyone!
This is my first time posting in the forum, I would be very grateful for some sound advice!
I am a young man, 24 years old, I moved to Lugano earlier this year (in March) to join an oil trading business (commodities) in a junior position.
I signed a permanent contract and was issued a B permit.
Due to the company not performing that well in the current market, management has insisted on cuts to costs. And guess who, as the most junior member in the office, was in the firing line?
Anyway, I have my notice period of 1 month until the end of August. Then I am paid my salary for two months in one go.
I am very keen to find a new job in my chosen field (oil trading) in Lugano, or another location in Switzerland. I have really become attached to this country and want to make my home here.
My question is about the unemployment benefits. I didn't even realise these existed at first (and losing my job caused me primarily financial stress).
Would I be entitled to any, while I am looking for a new job? How would I go about getting them considering my situation?

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Old 29.07.2016, 12:16
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Hello everyone!
This is my first time posting in the forum, I would be very grateful for some sound advice!
I am a young man, 24 years old, I moved to Lugano earlier this year (in March) to join an oil trading business (commodities) in a junior position.
I signed a permanent contract and was issued a B permit.
Due to the company not performing that well in the current market, management has insisted on cuts to costs. And guess who, as the most junior member in the office, was in the firing line?
Anyway, I have my notice period of 1 month until the end of August. Then I am paid my salary for two months in one go.
I am very keen to find a new job in my chosen field (oil trading) in Lugano, or another location in Switzerland. I have really become attached to this country and want to make my home here.
My question is about the unemployment benefits. I didn't even realise these existed at first (and losing my job caused me primarily financial stress).
Would I be entitled to any, while I am looking for a new job? How would I go about getting them considering my situation?
If you have worked in the EU / CH for at least 12 months in the last 24 months, you would be entitled to some unemployment pay.

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Re: EU citizen, B permit, employed since March, involuntary unemployment

And if it's just since March, they leave you with nothing? What are you supposed to do. Doesn't really make sense
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Old 29.07.2016, 12:39
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And if it's just since March, they leave you with nothing? What are you supposed to do. Doesn't really make sense
That's the system nonetheless.
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And if it's just since March, they leave you with nothing? What are you supposed to do. Doesn't really make sense
The logic, and I agree with it, is if you came to Switzerland only 4 months ago for a job and lost it already then you've not contributed enough to claim benefits. They'll expect you to go back to the country you came from (or wherever) and get help there.
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And if it's just since March, they leave you with nothing? What are you supposed to do. Doesn't really make sense
Well it's the same as if you did not get the job in the first place.
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Re: EU citizen, B permit, employed since March, involuntary unemployment

Sorry to hear about the cost cutting and your job. Lugano is tricky for commodities as its a very small job market so most jobs are found theough networks. Zug and Geneva will be your best bets and recommend you sign up with some recruitment companies like Swisslinx and EMEA if you already have not!

For unemployment benefit you need to work the minimum time but to really check your status you should visit the local agency in Lugano. If you do not speak Italian yet I would really recommend to take a translator with you to avoid any misunderstandings. But to be honest after four months I doubt you will be entitled and you should check the permit status too if you are non EU.

Good luck with the search!
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OK thanks for the advice, I understand the system now.
But you all do come across as a bit mean. It's not like I lost the job due to my incompetence

Thank you !!

Thanks I will check, I am EU: British citizen

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Thanks I will check, I am EU: British citizen
The ONLY question is DID YOU WORK in the EU before coming to CH. If your total work in the last 24 months including your time in CH is 12 or more months you will get SWISS unemployment benefit.
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OK thanks for the advice, I understand the system now.
But you all do come across as a bit mean. It's not like I lost the job due to my incompetence
It makes no difference here; this is one of the few countries I've worked in where an employer can just terminate an employment contract (giving the correct amount of notice specified within it) with no reason or justification.

I think the reason you need to have worked for x months (can be anywhere in the EU/CH) is to stop the cases where a company hires someone, brings them to Switzerland, and then decides after a few days that they're not needed. It would be an awful situation to be in (especially if you've relocated family or a lot of possession) but the Swiss system believes the employer should be sorting that out.
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It makes no difference here; this is one of the few countries I've worked in where an employer can just terminate an employment contract (giving the correct amount of notice specified within it) with no reason or justification.

I think the reason you need to have worked for x months (can be anywhere in the EU/CH) is to stop the cases where a company hires someone, brings them to Switzerland, and then decides after a few days that they're not needed. It would be an awful situation to be in (especially if you've relocated family or a lot of possession) but the Swiss system believes the employer should be sorting that out.
I don't know of any unemployment system that pays out after just 4 months in work.
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Re: EU citizen, B permit, employed since March, involuntary unemployment

A general overview of the Swiss unemployment compensation is at this link, pp. 69-72 (English):

https://www.ahv-iv.ch/p/890.e

These paragraphs may be relevant to your situation:

"Who can claim unemployment benefits? Anyone who is unemployed and who, within a given time frame, has been in gainful employment for at least 12 months and has paid in to the compulsory unemployment insurance scheme.
A person is entitled to unemployment benefits when he or she had been employed and paying compulsory contributions for at least 12 months during the two-year period immediately prior to registering with the unemployment office. In addition, the applicant must provide proof of a valid loss of employment, be available for and capable of work, and satisfy all supervision-related conditions.

Special regulations for Swiss nationals and citizens from an EU or EFTA member state
General information
Periods of insurance acquired in an EU or EFTA member state will be taken into consideration should the person lose his or her job in Switzerland. Benefits are calculated on the basis of the income earned in Switzerland."

More detailed information in the three national languages is at this link:
http://www.jobarea.ch/

Also, even if you are ineligible for unemployment compensation, the Swiss job service, RAV, can assist you to find a new position. Their job database, which is at the above link, is extensive.
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I don't know of any unemployment system that pays out after just 4 months in work.
Switzerland's does, if you'd been working in an EU country prior for a period of time.

Or, depending on your point of view, Switzerland's doesn't even if you'd been working for the same company for 20 years if that time was outside of the country/EU before transferring you here.
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Switzerland's does, if you'd been working in an EU country prior for a period of time.

Or, depending on your point of view, Switzerland's doesn't even if you'd been working for the same company for 20 years if that time was outside of the country/EU before transferring you here.
For the EU system or Swiss system you have to have worked a minimum of 12 months in total, 4 months total work won't cut it anywhere.

I gave the correct information in the second post of this thread.
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For the EU system or Swiss system you have to have worked a minimum of 12 months in total, 4 months total work won't cut it anywhere.

I gave the correct information in the second post of this thread.
No-one is contradicting you, and until you started quoting me I was responding to the OP!
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