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Is Lunch break meant to be only for lunch :) ?

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I have interesting problem with HR. Namely I am doing a language course twice a week so I am absent at my company from 10 to 11:45. In these days I am not going for the lunch breaks.

Today HR sent me a email that this not counts as a lunch break. Is there any rule that claims lunch break should be devoted only to having a lunch ?

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Re: Is Lunch break meant to be only for lunch :) ?

Not sure of the letter of the law but in all the places I worked you were obliged to take a lunch break of at least 30 mins. You can spend it at your desk and, yes, I often eat and work but your HR is probably just covering its arse in terms of working conditions.
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Re: Is Lunch break meant to be only for lunch :) ?

Are work paying for this 1.45hr language course? If so then they are paying you to work during it.
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Re: Is Lunch break meant to be only for lunch :) ?

I really don't know, but an hour and three quarters seems a long lunch break.

(An hour and a quarter longer than I used to get).
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Re: Is Lunch break meant to be only for lunch :) ?

I normally go motorcycling during my lunch break (90 minutes)

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Re: Is Lunch break meant to be only for lunch :) ?

check the policy. it may say that you should be at your desk between 9.00 and 11.30 or something. This is done to have people that like to start early and the latecomers together for a while at least
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Re: Is Lunch break meant to be only for lunch :) ?

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Hi,

I have interesting problem with HR. Namely I am doing a language course twice a week so I am absent at my company from 10 to 11:45. In these days I am not going for the lunch breaks.

Today HR sent me a email that this not counts as a lunch break. Is there any rule that claims lunch break should be devoted only to having a lunch ?

Thanks !
Piotr
It does depend on the company. At mine (large bank), most non-manadatory courses are counted as being within "your own time" i.e. not deductable from daily torture.
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Re: Is Lunch break meant to be only for lunch :) ?

Breaks are there to protect the employee. I think it's something like you're entitled to 30 mins break for 6 hours work and 1 hour for 9 or something like that. So if you're doing more than 6 hours work after you come back from the course, you're entitled to at least another 30mins break, which the employer will want to enforce. You can't start or stop the day on a break but I don't know how much time needs to be around it.
I'm guessing you don't work for a bank :-)
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Re: Is Lunch break meant to be only for lunch :) ?

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Hi,

I have interesting problem with HR. Namely I am doing a language course twice a week so I am absent at my company from 10 to 11:45. In these days I am not going for the lunch breaks.

Today HR sent me a email that this not counts as a lunch break. Is there any rule that claims lunch break should be devoted only to having a lunch ?

Thanks !
Piotr
Just eat a sandwich during the language course
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Old 31.08.2016, 19:14
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Just eat a sandwich during the language course
Or drink a beer.

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Or drink a beer.

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Could you please stop rubbing-it in? (Although also work from home-office a-lot and so allow myself the occasional glass of wine at my local a couple of (Swiss translation) days a week with my lunch ). One of my main forms of happiness and motivation.

OP - if you have a regular Swiss employment contract, the main terms should be laid-out there.
It is clearly regulated under Swiss law. Many companies have implemented regimented time-reporting, also as others have said "to cover their arse".

For such a short pause, I wouldn't make a fuss - as others have mentioned, just fetch a sandwich?

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Or drink a beer after a spirited motorcycle ride!

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Or drink a beer after a spirited motorcycle ride!

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Topic is whether OP can accept a (potentially company financed) lunch break without it being deducted from an hourly / daily / internal / external employee rate, at employer unknown.

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Re: Is Lunch break meant to be only for lunch :) ?

In the run up to the Olympics they interviewed a hotel owner who said she normally rented out rooms by the hour but changed to weekly during the Olympics. So you couldn't go there during your lunch hour but can go there again now it's finished.
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Re: Is Lunch break meant to be only for lunch :) ?

I don't think the eating or not of a meal is a deciding factor, rather the time and length of the break. It may simply be that they mandate a certain times during which lunch should be taken and this is outside of that.


What surprises me is that the OP hasn't, apparently, run this by his boss first. I certainly would have done so, and would have expected any half-decent employer to encourage it, but the fact that 'permission' wasn't sought in advance may imply that consistent unavailability during that time is impinging on his ability to do the job effectively.
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Re: Is Lunch break meant to be only for lunch :) ?

First of all thanks for all of your answers I work at IT company with permanent contract. The course I am going to is reimbursed by my company.

I've check the internal regulations:

Day work: 06:00 – 20:00
Evening work: 08:00 – 23:00
Night work: 23:00 – 06:00
The work is usually done during the daytime working hours from 06:00 to 20:00.
The work is broken up by a lunch break of at least half an hour. For compliance, the employees themselves, as well as the department managers, are responsible.

and the next point:

Unpaid Breaks
If the workday is longer than 7 hours, a lunch break of at least half an hour must be adhered to.
Example:
08:00 – 12:00 working time
12:00 – 12:30 lunch break
12:30 – 16:42 working time

From this I infer that there is no reason to question my brake because it's before noon. In addition these days I try to show up before 8 to compensate the time. My boss said he cannot do much against HR

I will try to have a calm talk with HR to at least get the explanation what is wrong here.

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Re: Is Lunch break meant to be only for lunch :) ?

So take the mandatory 30 minutes lunch break as requested. Now the question shifts to whether they are happy for you to count your 1:45 of training as work time on those days, or want to you compensate that back by working additional hours.
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Re: Is Lunch break meant to be only for lunch :) ?

That is the reason of my confusion since I've been told that I have to log off when I am going to this course so it's not being counted into my work time.
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First of all thanks for all of your answers I work at IT company with permanent contract. The course I am going to is reimbursed by my company.
I'm surprised you work for an IT company tbh. They're much more flexible usually, it's weird, really. Perhaps this HR person has a problem (I don't want to be mean and won't comment any further about HR folks). Talk to your direct manager(s) first.
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That is the reason of my confusion since I've been told that I have to log off when I am going to this course so it's not being counted into my work time.
Do you actually have time during this 1.45 hours for a half hour lunch, or is it fully travel then study?
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