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Contract Rates in Zurich

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I have been offered a contact for a senior Linux Administrator in Zurich for 600CHF per day.

I have no idea of living costs in Zurich but some research seems to indicate that this rate is quite low.

I would appreciate any advice on current contract rates in Zurich.

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Hi,

I have been offered a contact for a senior Linux Administrator in Zurich for 600CHF per day.

I have no idea of living costs in Zurich but some research seems to indicate that this rate is quite low.

I would appreciate any advice on current contract rates in Zurich.

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Hi,

I have been offered a contact for a senior Linux Administrator in Zurich for 600CHF per day.

I have no idea of living costs in Zurich but some research seems to indicate that this rate is quite low.

I would appreciate any advice on current contract rates in Zurich.

Best Regards,
According to another thread, a dog sitter can earn 660 CHF for 1.5 days...
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Re: Contract Rates in Zurich

Is that 600 as "turnover" for which a payroll company will deduct employer taxes etc or 600 as your "gross salary" with employer deductions already um deducted?
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It's very low.
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According to another thread, a dog sitter can earn 660 CHF for 1.5 days...
For how many dogs?
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"gross salary" with employer deductions already um deducted?
That would be net salary, gross is with no deductions, net is with deductions but before taxes.

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Re: Contract Rates in Zurich

I searched the thread and did not find anything about "120k" yet
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Re: Contract Rates in Zurich

You'll be on an L or B permit? Either way taxed at source so take home about C. 8000 pcm, on a C 10500-12000 tax to be paid. Rate is low.
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Re: Contract Rates in Zurich

Knowing a bit about IT Contractors

Daily rate from external Country like Germany Italy France Belgium Czech Turkey etc

Onsite no travel costs
CHF 900 day

Offsite
CHF 650 day

Internal IT personal is Calculated CHF 825 day

Sinds 2013/2014 Indian Companys have flood the market with
Onsite CHF 380
Offsite CHF 230

Making it extremely difficult to compete.


Swiss Company's are still coming in with a strong
Onsite CHF 1000 till 1400
Offsite CHF 800

Off course when you have a long time/ full time deal it's not bad when you would be willing to live in an WG.

Please also don't forget that the business visa has some terms
and if you take an Schengen b visa your would probably pay health insurance etc,

Hope this helps a bit
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Sinds 2013/2014 Indian Companys have flood the market with
Onsite CHF 380
Offsite CHF 230
The Indians are cheap but their English is terrible

Seriously though are those netto salary rates or what the client pays?

Netto where I work (not Zurich) is something like 650 to 850 per day. Rates have reduced as most of our contractors are non-swiss and the strong CHF makes 'low' rates look good. If you're working for a bank you can add on a good proportion.

Rule of thumb is numerically double your UK rate or add 50% to your euro rate.
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Seriously though are those netto salary rates or what the client pays?
This is what the client pays.
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Swiss Company's are still coming in with a strong
Onsite CHF 1000 till 1400
Offsite CHF 800
Just to clarify - no professional Swiss company would charge as low as 800 or in other words 100 CHF per hour for a professional resource working in CH for you. The lowest I have seen at my employer was between 140-150 CHF for an experienced resource. If you are offered this price do I bet the person is at least in Eastern Europe if not further away... Even a car mechanic or electrician charges an hourly rate around 150 CHF here... no respectable IT company will go below unless you make some very long term body leasing comittment in a large scale.

My opinion for the OP: The rate is very low, I personally would not take anything under 800 and aim for 1k as a rule of thumb. Otherwise you are better off working in a perm position.
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Re: Contract Rates in Zurich

It sounds low (my husband is a contractor so I am relatively informed).

But... It all depends on your personal goals and aspirations. It could be a foot-in-the-door technique for you (come here, do your networking, get a permanent job, enjoy the perks of Switzerland) . Or you could initially accept the low rate and then negotiate a higher rate for the next assignment, after you have proven yourself indispensable. This is what my husband did (but then, he had some security thanks to my salary).

In any case, try to get shared housing (WG) in the beginnings so that you are flexible. If you get your own apartment, it will be like a golden cage.
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Old 09.11.2016, 12:10
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It sounds low (my husband is a contractor so I am relatively informed).

But... It all depends on your personal goals and aspirations. It could be a foot-in-the-door technique for you (come here, do your networking, get a permanent job, enjoy the perks of Switzerland) . Or you could initially accept the low rate and then negotiate a higher rate for the next assignment, after you have proven yourself indispensable. This is what my husband did (but then, he had some security thanks to my salary).

In any case, try to get shared housing (WG) in the beginnings so that you are flexible. If you get your own apartment, it will be like a golden cage.
Honestly: It's a low ball offer about 30% below the market rate. That says a lot about either the employer or the agency in between. They are either not professional or trying to screw you over. Either way very unlikely the sort of people who will agree to a reasonable rate in six months from now.

P.S.: You don't accept underpaid contracts to one day get a permanent offer... that's not the way this game works or we are not talking about the same sort of contractor.
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Re: Contract Rates in Zurich

It sounds like either the agency (or even sub agency) are taking too big a chunk or this contract is for a vendor who is only able to charge their 'low rate' to the company, ie they can only charge say 850 so only want to pay 600.
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Re: Contract Rates in Zurich

Thanks to all for the great advice! It is much appreciated.

The original rate quoted was gross, 600chf p/d.

I agree completely with Treverus that you don't accept underpaid contracts, I'm not in the contracting game with a view to permanency later, in fact, that's what I want to avoid.

The goal of course is to make as much as I can with as little outlay as I can manage.

The general consensus seems to be that the rate is on the low side.

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Re: Contract Rates in Zurich

As it's gross it's not worth it, in my opinion.
There are other threads about the deductions, but you'd be lucky to clear 400 and you'll still be liable for tax in UK or Ireland.
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Re: Contract Rates in Zurich

Hi Guys, I am been doing my research on google and mainly on the english forum about contract rates and i thought i would ask you guys for your advice. I have been offered a contract with a start up company in the printing industry. I would be freelancing and the agency which they are working with sent me a basic contract today. I will be working as a technical consultant in engineering, so process improvement, building up assemblies, going overseas for installations etc. I have been working in engineering now for over 15 years and i spent the last year in italy doing a similar job contracting. I have been living in switzerland for 10 years and i have a c permit. What the agency are offering me based on a 40 hour week for an unlimited time :

Studenlohn CHF 41.28
Ferienentschadigung
Feiertagsentschadigung
13 monatslohn

totall AHV-Pflichtiger Bruttolohn Pro Studen CHF 50.00

I think this is too low and i would like to increase the amount. I would like to ask for a little more and ask for a complete breakdown of deductions from the agency.

Any advice? thanks in advance
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