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Even if you don't 'hate' your current job, a 10% salary increase at a much better company that you know you would be better benefits or conditions, or would lead to better opportunities later down the line, can be well worth it.
Yes, I'd agree - what I was trying to convey is that all other things being either equal or not having changed too much, then it might not be worthwhile to move without financial incentive. I was probably thinking too narrowly - yes there are numerous factors to take into account.
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Exactly. Aside from personal aspects - location for example - there's all types of benefits and perks, be it a company restaurant or a gym for cheap, a better pension fund, fewer weekly working hours, an on-site childcare facility and so on. Then there's company size, development opportunities or lack thereof, depending on the seniority of the job of course also long-term strategy of the company or whatever may be relevant, not to mention manager or team members.

Salary is one factor, but in no way the only one.


You forgot to mention: Some people's dream is having slides to the canteen....
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For a comparable life style in Italy, take your current salary and times by 3.

This will give you a rough benchmark if your new proposed salary is good or not.

I am going to bring out my pizza example again...

Tonight... my wife and I will be ordering 2 pizzas from the local pizza place, one pizza normal size will cost 20 francs. They will take 2 francs off cos I don't want peppers on mine.
Very poor comparison. . There are things in CH that are cheaper than in Italy: electronics, utilities, fuel, etc. and other things that are just slightly more expensive. And pizza is probably the most produced thing in Italy so it's cheap as chips.
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Old 01.12.2016, 13:29
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You forgot to mention: Some people's dream is having slides to the canteen....
Indeed - yay!

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Indeed - yay!

yay ! working togehter with this attractive lady is certainly an incentive !
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Old 01.12.2016, 14:38
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Very poor comparison. . There are things in CH that are cheaper than in Italy: electronics, utilities, fuel, etc. and other things that are just slightly more expensive. And pizza is probably the most produced thing in Italy so it's cheap as chips.
Likewise taxes
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Very poor comparison. . There are things in CH that are cheaper than in Italy: electronics, utilities, fuel, etc. and other things that are just slightly more expensive. And pizza is probably the most produced thing in Italy so it's cheap as chips.
Caspita... but you're still gonna want pizza, no?
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Re: Is 68k yearly gross a decent salary in Zurich?

To cut a long story short, 68K gross is a decent salary in Zurich if...


- you are aged between 20-28
- and you have less than 5 years experience
- and you have medium level education, e.g. Bachelor or trained craftsman
- and you do not need to support anybody else.
- and you are used to a normal modest lifestyle
- and you are willing to live in a small apartment in the suburbs, or share a bigger apartment with other mates.
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... I forgot for those who are interesed about salaries in Zurich, this article:


http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/...story/17280375


... might be of interest. Median monthly salaries for people with university degree is 10'396 CHF !


(its in german so you can practice your german language skills )
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Old 01.12.2016, 16:17
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Re: Is 68k yearly gross a decent salary in Zurich?

Well there's the reality check...

And that is if calculated across the board, including those with 25+ years of experience, including every profession, and - likely - including those highly paid execs.

"With a university degree" is also a highly, well, let's call it fluid criterion.
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Old 01.12.2016, 16:20
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... I forgot for those who are interesed about salaries in Zurich, this article:


http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/...story/17280375


... might be of interest. Median monthly salaries for people with university degree is 10'396 CHF !


(its in german so you can practice your german language skills )
To be useful it needs an age/experience breakdown too. 25 yo with a fresh masters is going to be earning less than someone with a masters and 25 years experience (assuming same industry)
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To be useful it needs an age/experience breakdown too. 25 yo with a fresh masters is going to be earning less than someone with a masters and 25 years experience (assuming same industry)
Yes, someone right out of university might earn something between 70k-100k/year. But the number of 10'396 is the median not the average, so this means 50% earn 10'396 or more and 50% earn 10'396 or less. Also in Switzerland it depends on the name of the university if you will earn big money or less later on. Read this article about the salary ranking of european universities:
http://www.finews.ch/themen/high-end...rsitaeten-lohn

University of St. Gallen is top in this respect, but it has also a reputation of being an universitiy for the brats of the filthy rich, many coming from southern germany.
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Indeed - yay!

Is that really you Samaire, i must give you more green things....
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Old 01.12.2016, 22:12
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Yes, someone right out of university might earn something between 70k-100k/year. But the number of 10'396 is the median not the average, so this means 50% earn 10'396 or more and 50% earn 10'396 or less. Also in Switzerland it depends on the name of the university if you will earn big money or less later on. Read this article about the salary ranking of european universities:
http://www.finews.ch/themen/high-end...rsitaeten-lohn

University of St. Gallen is top in this respect, but it has also a reputation of being an universitiy for the brats of the filthy rich, many coming from southern germany.
Thanks for the primary school level statistics lesson. Incidentally, you mean 'mean' not average. The mean, median and mode are all averages.

Regardless which flavour of average you take, you still need to understand the population for it to mean anything.

I'd love to know where those St. Gallen graduates (of which I am one btw - although neither brat, filthy rich nor German) are earning on average - take your pick which one - CHF 200k with 5-10 years experience. At 5 years, I would expect that to be the top end some could be earning in banking and very few beyond. At 10 years maybe 25% of them. I'd expect similar at the strategy consultants and less at other consultancies. Pharma, no idea.
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Thanks for the primary school level statistics lesson. Incidentally, you mean 'mean' not average. The mean, median and mode are all averages.
Actually, no. Mean is average. Median is not an average, it is rather the number in the middle which is what Dandy means by 50% above and 50% below. Mode is the number occurring the most in that set of numbers, so nothing to do with average.
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Is that really you Samaire, i must give you more green things....
It's not. I'm of course even better-looking Kidding.

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I'd love to know where those St. Gallen graduates (of which I am one btw - although neither brat, filthy rich nor German) are earning on average - take your pick which one - CHF 200k with 5-10 years experience. At 5 years, I would expect that to be the top end some could be earning in banking and very few beyond. At 10 years maybe 25% of them. I'd expect similar at the strategy consultants and less at other consultancies. Pharma, no idea.
I'd love to know that too... I'm definitely at the upper end salary-wise among my friends from school and uni (mostly Masters grads in law or business admin, working across a number of industries). All with comparable number of years of experience, I have a bit more (I graduated earlier). But I'm nowhere near 200k. OK I don't work in the most lucrative field, so there's that.

Consulting still pays insane money, if you're willing to sell your soul of course and have no life anymore

Pharma - depends. On the commercial side you will reach 200k total comp relatively quickly - if you bring a scientific background and some fancy-schmancy 150k-MBA and maybe 8+ years of relevant experience. On the other end of that are scientists who, despite having a PhD and PostDoc and 10, 15 years of experience, earn about half that.
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Actually, no. Mean is average. Median is not an average, it is rather the number in the middle which is what Dandy means by 50% above and 50% below. Mode is the number occurring the most in that set of numbers, so nothing to do with average.
http://www.dummies.com/education/mat...mode-and-mean/

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Re: Is 68k yearly gross a decent salary in Zurich?

Fair enough, I was going with the most colloquially accepted form of average. I should have clarified that when I wrote my answer above.

PS - You could have easily given me this answer without the groan or the snarkiness

Edit - Purdue OWL tells us the same thing - "The mean is the most common form of central tendency, and is what most people usually are referring to when the say average." and "When writing statistics, you never want to say 'average' because it is difficult, if not impossible, for your reader to understand if you are referring to the mean, the median, or the mode.".

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If you are single than definitely you can manage.
C'mon! What can you loose? If it took you long time to search, as you wrote, I guess you really want to come. Take it as an experience. Maybe it will work maybe not but you would not regret even if you decide to go back after a year or so.
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Fair enough, I was going with the most colloquially accepted form of average. I should have clarified that when I wrote my answer above.

PS - You could have easily given me this answer without the groan or the snarkiness

Edit - Purdue OWL tells us the same thing - "The mean is the most common form of central tendency, and is what most people usually are referring to when the say average." and "When writing statistics, you never want to say 'average' because it is difficult, if not impossible, for your reader to understand if you are referring to the mean, the median, or the mode.".
The groan was for telling me I was wrong and then pretty much repeating word for word what Dandy had said. The snarkiness - well if you wade in regarding primary school maths and get it wrong, you're going to get a bit of a ribbing. No offence intended.

And thanks was for being a good sport and adding a further link

Fwiw I know what the colloquial usage is, but Dandy wants to make a thing about the mean and median, when it's irrelevant, he/she should at least get his/her terminology correct.
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