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Mexican, need to find a job in Switzerland

I'm Swiss and I'm helping my Mexican girlfriend to find work in Switzerland.

First some facts:
- her mother tongue is Spanish and she speaks English and French at a B2 level.
- she has a Bachelors Degree in Interaction Design and Animation
- experience in photography, film editing and webdesign
- she doesn't have much work experience
- she is in her 20ies
- she doesn't have a work permit or visa

I read through several threads in this forum and I know that her chances to find work aren't very high because she has no Master degree and doesn't speak German. But we're still trying. We already applied to many job offers in her field without success so far.

Now my question, is what we're doing of any use? Are companies even considering hiring someone with these qualifications? If so, does anyone have a tip, how we could improve her chances?

And are there any other possibilities for her (like a plan B)? For example finding a job in a Spanish restaurant and then looking for work in her field? Or coming to Switzerland with a tourist visa and then looking for something in person?
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Old 15.01.2017, 00:33
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I'm Swiss and I'm helping my Mexican girlfriend to find work in Switzerland.

First some facts:
- her mother tongue is Spanish and she speaks English and French at a B2 level.
- she has a Bachelors Degree in Interaction Design and Animation
- experience in photography, film editing and webdesign
- she doesn't have much work experience
- she is in her 20ies
- she doesn't have a work permit or visa

I read through several threads in this forum and I know that her chances to find work aren't very high because she has no Master degree and doesn't speak German. But we're still trying. We already applied to many job offers in her field without success so far.

Now my question, is what we're doing of any use? Are companies even considering hiring someone with these qualifications? If so, does anyone have a tip, how we could improve her chances?

And are there any other possibilities for her (like a plan B)? For example finding a job in a Spanish restaurant and then looking for work in her field? Or coming to Switzerland with a tourist visa and then looking for something in person?
No, it's of no use .... your girlfriend has neither a visa nor a permit? If she's here in Switzerland she better be careful.
Plan B: Get married.
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Old 15.01.2017, 01:53
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Re: Mexican, need to find a job in Switzerland

a) no idea what "Interaction Design" is, but sounds like something that wouldn't be done at (some sort of) uni around here, but via an apprenticeship. So the degree is unlikely to be of much relevance if any, and as you say, IF a job requires a uni degree, it's usually a graduate degree
b) speaks no German
c) has no permit whatsoever and, as a non-EU with not enough education and very little work experience, it's next to impossible for anyone to hire her.

Sorry to say, but I don't see this happening any time soon. Chances that any company will even consider trying to hire her are pretty close to zero to begin with and even if they did actually try, she is not eligible for a permit. She brings nothing to the table that thousands of Swiss and EU wouldn't either - however bringing something that no one else brings is a requirement to even be considered for a permit, along with a few other things.

Sure she can come on a tourist visa and look around. There will simply not be much use. It will not make it easier to find a job and, more importantly, not make it easier for any company to hire her.

I don't really know why you would think a Spanish restaurant would be Spanish-speaking only. Customers will still be German-speaking (or French if in that area), as will probably most other employees. And of course see above, that still doesn't make her eligible for a permit.

You only have one Plan B is and that is to get married. That way, at least c) gets taken care off. a) and b) will continue to be a challenge.
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Re: Mexican, need to find a job in Switzerland

Plan C: move to Mexico... because if you really loved her you would consider that right? Right?
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Re: Mexican, need to find a job in Switzerland

If you are in the Geneva, La Côte area you can try with International Organisations, Missions or the UN agencies.

Otherwise she needs a permit and for non-EU that's almost impossible.
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It's a total myth "international organisations" will hire such people, they smack of desperation, no permit, looking for any type of job. The UN and such like can pick who they want, import them, fill quotas according to nationality and sex requirements.
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Re: Mexican, need to find a job in Switzerland

"Cadre, specialists and other qualified employees will be admitted. "Qualified employee" means, first and foremost, people with a degree from a university or institution of higher education as well as several years of professional experience. Depending on the profession or field of specialisation, other people with special training and several years of professional work experience may also be admitted."

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

There's no way a Spanish or any other type restaurant would be willing to waste time and money applying for a permit for her when there are plenty of Swiss/EU nationals they can hire. As it's not even in her field of expertise they wouldn't stand a chance. World famous Mexican chef maybe, otherwise no way.

There are two possibilities: a) you marry her or b) you apply for a concubine permit for her. For that you would need to agree to be financially responsible for her for 5 years. Here's canton Vaud's info:

http://www.vd.ch/themes/vie-privee/p...s-du-concubin/

Not all cantons seem to use this permit though so you'd have to check if it's even possible. And of course if the marriage/relationship breaks down later on she's back to the non-EU hiring problem as she would need a new independent permit to be able to stay here.
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Re: Mexican, need to find a job in Switzerland

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No, not a total myth. I know a few people that have been employed locally. There is a small incentive for them to do so - local contracts don't include repatriation or schooling benefits.

She's as likely to be hired locally, as she would be if she applied from Mexico.
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Old 15.01.2017, 13:49
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No, not a total myth. I know a few people that have been employed locally. There is a small incentive for them to do so - local contracts don't include repatriation or schooling benefits.

She's as likely to be hired locally, as she would be if she applied from Mexico.
The problem is, for the UN she's not actually a local hire because she doesn't already live in Switzerland. The job announcements for local hires often have language like this "Please note that this is a locally-recruited position, restricted to Swiss nationals and/or legal residents of Switzerland." So she'd need to find a job opening that doesn't have such a restriction.

She'd also likely need to have passed the general services test to have a decent chance. I think the UN gets dozens, if not hundreds of applications for each job.

However it's not a bad idea to try for such a position even from abroad. She speaks 3 of the official UN languages, at least to a degree. She could look for jobs with any embassy or consulate that uses Spanish. She could try NGOs.

Another option would be for her to study for a master's degree here. Most of those are taught in English and at a B2 level she might be okay. A student permit would allow her to live here without you having to get married, although she would not be allowed to work full-time on such a permit. She'd need to prove she can support herself (with or without your help) for the duration of the studies. A Swiss degree would then give her a better footing for a job here later on.

I would never suggest marriage as a way to get the permit. However if it is already in the works then speeding up the process could make life a bit easier. As your dependent she'd have authorization to work here so then the question would be finding the job.

Another consideration is where you want to live. The NGOs and UN are mostly in Geneva. I'm guessing since you mention German skills you live in the German-speaking part of the country. Some people don't mind long commutes and others abhor it. You could opt to live in one of the dual-language areas in the middle (ish) such as Biel, Fribourg, or Murten.

It's not impossible to be together but it's going to require a lot of thought and planning. Whatever you decide, be sure she does not overstay her tourist visa or you will complicate matters that much more.
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There are two possibilities: a) you marry her or b) you apply for a concubine permit for her. For that you would need to agree to be financially responsible for her for 5 years. Here's canton Vaud's info:
The third possiblity: c) she applies at a university to study a bachelor or postgraduate course, if she gets accepted she will probably get a B permit for one year, renewable every year as long as she is a student. This will buy her time to look for a job as well as learn the language.
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Re: Mexican, need to find a job in Switzerland

It is not Switzerland and I am not sure if it's still possible. But it used to be easier for someone from South-America to find a job in Spain (probably because of history). So let her try that. It's not the same country but it's a lot closer and cheaper to fly to Spain than to Mexico

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