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Old 05.02.2017, 00:42
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Evidence of applications BEFORE registration with the RAV

  • I got handed my notice last week.
  • My notice period is unusually long.
  • I went to the RAV at the earliest opportunity.
  • The advisor advised me to postpone formal registration until nearer my first day of unemployment.
  • So I haven't registered yet.
  • But I have already started applying for jobs because I'm quite fond of being employed.

My question is: does the usual "evidence of ten applications a month" apply to the period before formal registration with the RAV?

Obviously, I'll have a fair few job applications to show them by then (unless I manage to secure a job beforehand) - but I'm not sure I'll manage to assemble a bulging folder of several dozen of them!

Does anyone have any experience they'd be willing to share?

Cheers,

DB
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Re: Evidence of applications BEFORE registration with the RAV

When I was coming to the end of my fixed term contract I showed 3 applications per months for the last 3 months and they were quite happy with that. You will probably be given a form to fill in detailing your job search when you go to register again.

As with RAV it very much always depends on how sympathetic your RAV advisor is though.

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Old 05.02.2017, 00:56
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Re: Evidence of applications BEFORE registration with the RAV

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  • I got handed my notice last week.
  • My notice period is unusually long.
  • I went to the RAV at the earliest opportunity.
  • The advisor advised me to postpone formal registration until nearer my first day of unemployment.
  • So I haven't registered yet.
  • But I have already started applying for jobs because I'm quite fond of being employed.

My question is: does the usual "evidence of ten applications a month" apply to the period before formal registration with the RAV?

Obviously, I'll have a fair few job applications to show them by then (unless I manage to secure a job beforehand) - but I'm not sure I'll manage to assemble a bulging folder of several dozen of them!

Does anyone have any experience they'd be willing to share?

Cheers,

DB
You need to start looking for a Job as soon as you receive notice. Making 10 applications a month would be a good idea. Those applications can be for jobs anywhere in the world.......... they don't have to be in your canton.
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Old 05.02.2017, 02:42
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Re: Evidence of applications BEFORE registration with the RAV

When i lost my job, i didn't sign on to the RAV till six months after, wanting to work on my own projects instead and not be hassled by the RAV. The RAV asked a few questions but weren't too bothered. Knowing the RAV, they'll only be concerned with your current months reporting. You might impress your rav helper, but it's ultimately pointless, not saying you shouldn't be apllying, just that the rav won't care unless they're paying money.
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Old 05.02.2017, 10:17
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When i lost my job, i didn't sign on to the RAV till six months after, wanting to work on my own projects instead and not be hassled by the RAV. The RAV asked a few questions but weren't too bothered. Knowing the RAV, they'll only be concerned with your current months reporting. You might impress your rav helper, but it's ultimately pointless, not saying you shouldn't be apllying, just that the rav won't care unless they're paying money.
The problem is that if you are not applying for 10-12 jobs a month for the 2 months prior to signing on with the RAV you are still likely to get a few days penalty.

Back in 2009 I waited several months before I signed on with the RAV and in that time only applied for a few jobs, I was still penalised 4 or 5 days for not applying for enough jobs. The RAV guy "recommended" to UNIA that I should be penalised and I was.
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Re: Evidence of applications BEFORE registration with the RAV

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  • I got handed my notice last week.
  • My notice period is unusually long.
  • I went to the RAV at the earliest opportunity.
  • The advisor advised me to postpone formal registration until nearer my first day of unemployment.
  • So I haven't registered yet.
  • But I have already started applying for jobs because I'm quite fond of being employed.

My question is: does the usual "evidence of ten applications a month" apply to the period before formal registration with the RAV?

Obviously, I'll have a fair few job applications to show them by then (unless I manage to secure a job beforehand) - but I'm not sure I'll manage to assemble a bulging folder of several dozen of them!

Does anyone have any experience they'd be willing to share?

Cheers,

DB
Updating stuff like your LinkedIn, Xing and whatever professional platforms you use counts equally as job searches, as does any networking and meetings with recruitment agencies so make a detailed note of everything vaguely job search related.
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Old 05.02.2017, 11:14
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Re: Evidence of applications BEFORE registration with the RAV

Have to apply to 10 places per month. Just keep a record of it. Can even use their form: https://www.zh.ch/internet/volkswirt...3%BChungen.pdf
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Old 05.02.2017, 11:40
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The problem is that if you are not applying for 10-12 jobs a month for the 2 months prior to signing on with the RAV you are still likely to get a few days penalty.

Back in 2009 I waited several months before I signed on with the RAV and in that time only applied for a few jobs, I was still penalised 4 or 5 days for not applying for enough jobs. The RAV guy "recommended" to UNIA that I should be penalised and I was.
That sucks, I think maybe a lot also depends on who you get for your RAV consultant, some are more forgiving than others. Still a couple of days isn't so bad for a few months...
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Oof! Ten applications a month while working a six day week... looks like I'll have to get busy!

Thanks all. Hard times ahead...
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Old 05.02.2017, 12:21
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Re: Evidence of applications BEFORE registration with the RAV

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Oof! Ten applications a month while working a six day week... looks like I'll have to get busy!

Thanks all. Hard times ahead...
Your employer is required by law to give you time off for job searching. They will be aware of this obligation. I suspect they will have even budgeted a supply teacher for 0.5 days a week. You should discuss this with them ASAP.
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Your employer is required by law to give you time off for job searching. They will be aware of this obligation. I suspect they will have even budgeted a supply teacher for 0.5 days a week. You should discuss this with them ASAP.
Lol.

No chance. Not a sausage of a chance.

I'm even attending interviews in my own time.
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Thanks all. Hard times ahead...
Think positively, though. You might land a new job before you are officially under the RAV's wing. See the RAV as a safety cushion in case you don't.

Good luck!
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Old 05.02.2017, 12:28
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No chance. Not a sausage of a chance.

I'm even attending interviews in my own time.
If you have legal insurance I would ask them to compose a letter to your employer pointing out their legal obligations. It's amazing how fast things can change.
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If you have legal insurance I would ask them to compose a letter to your employer pointing out their legal obligations. It's amazing how fast things can change.
Or involve the RAV. They're remarkably effective when an employer isn't obeying the rules and obstructing an imminent claimant from effectively finding another job...
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Old 05.02.2017, 12:46
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Re: Evidence of applications BEFORE registration with the RAV

Sorry to hear this, DB.

Depending on the job, I've known people that only needed 1/week, others as many as 4, though generally, it's 2/week, so 8-10/month, starting from when you receive the notice.

If your notice is more than three months I don't think that they can demand more than three months of applications, best to check with them.

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Buggeration. I've no advice on RAV but sorry to hear your change in circumstance. With that renowned ascerbic wit I'm sure you'll walk the interviews.
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Re: Evidence of applications BEFORE registration with the RAV

Like Cyrus has said, I think a lot of it depends on your RAV guy, but if you can prove you have been working full time during your notice period and also applying for some jobs when you can, you might be alright.

In your situation I would be tempted to go back to the RAV when you still have 2 months notice left and then get them to help you switch focus on getting a new job and worry less about the old one. Obviously I don't know the exact circumstances but this is what I would do. If nothing else it can help get the RAV on your side.
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Buggeration. I've no advice on RAV but sorry to hear your change in circumstance. With that renowned ascerbic wit I'm sure you'll walk the interviews.
I like him too, but I'm not sure the acerbic wit he displays here will actually help him get the job. He might try to reign in that adjective a bit during interviews...
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Old 05.02.2017, 15:31
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Re: Evidence of applications BEFORE registration with the RAV

Sorry to hear about your circumstances DB. Been there done that not so long ago. Believe it or not things will fall into place again soon and unexpectedly. For many they do. Most of my colleagues in similar shoes got back in the game again.

All above is true. Keep on applying from the date of notice and during first interview show evidence of such. They will ask for it. You can get very nice person trying to be helpful (luckily I did) or complete tard (I heard outrageous stories). Hopefully, given your education and area they will allocate you someone more insightful who won't point you into McDonald's job direction (just kidding).

Heads up, be prepared for every meeting and pls be on time. Once they feel a trait of punctuality and discipline, they become more cooperative. Naturally, they like when candidate can utter few words of official language. It works magic in their office. To cut long story short - you should be fine either way with 80% of insured salary and being usually paid for up to 400days. That's, if the things for some reason don't change for you on the job market too quickly.

It's never easy situation that strikes one's ego but on the other hand RAV can be very beneficial for us expats. If nothing pans out too soon you just take a long sabbatical. Enjoy their language courses and trainings, meeting new interesting people on the same boat with whom you can have a pint or two every Friday to exchange networking strategies. It makes it so much easier to start over again.

Good luck!

P.S. Ascerbic wit will take you long way but try to keep it to min on the first meeting with RAV (they can be a bit painful at times).
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Re: Evidence of applications BEFORE registration with the RAV

Just asking the crowd out of curiosity - and knowing DB works in a fairly specialised job - if there aren't the openings out there is one expected to pad the 10 applications / month out with applications for shelf stacking at Migros etc?
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