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Hey guys, first of all i want to congratulate all of you for your contribution to this forum that is helping me a lot.

I'm a Portuguese 21 years old guy, i'm currently studying and i'll complete my graduation next year in Business Management Bachelor degree with Financial specialization and i'm seriously move to Switzerland 2 or 3 years from now because i think that have some experience here and make an Italian language course could be a plus.
I also have family in Switzerland but in German part, but i think i could adapt myself a lot better if i went to an Italian part of Switzerland because the Italian language looks easier to learn than German.
I would like to work in a company Management/Financial area.

::What do you advice me to do? (try to find something like an internship in Switzerland?/german language is more valuable than italian?)
::What's the salary if i could get a FIRST job in the area mentioned and how much can it increase (with experience and maybe an Swiss MBA in the future)
::And an additional question... The salaries are different in Italian and German part?
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Old 12.03.2017, 10:32
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Hey guys, first of all i want to congratulate all of you for your contribution to this forum that is helping me a lot.

I'm a Portuguese 21 years old guy, i'm currently studying and i'll complete my graduation next year in Business Management Bachelor degree with Financial specialization and i'm seriously move to Switzerland 2 or 3 years from now because i think that have some experience here and make an Italian language course could be a plus.
I also have family in Switzerland but in German part, but i think i could adapt myself a lot better if i went to an Italian part of Switzerland because the Italian language looks easier to learn than German.
I would like to work in a company Management/Financial area.

::What do you advice me to do? (try to find something like an internship in Switzerland?/german language is more valuable than italian?)
::What's the salary if i could get a FIRST job in the area mentioned and how much can it increase (with experience and maybe an Swiss MBA in the future)
::And an additional question... The salaries are different in Italian and German part?
Did you actually read any of the things posted?

First question: depends on what you want to do in the future
Second question: no idea as it is not clear what you want to do
Third question: yes

Do try and determine first what you want to do in Finance, it is a very broad area
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Did you actually read any of the things posted?

First question: depends on what you want to do in the future
Second question: no idea as it is not clear what you want to do
Third question: yes

Do try and determine first what you want to do in Finance, it is a very broad area
Yeah, of course
I pretend to know by experienced people what i should aiming for like which jobs in finantial area should i try to find once i have not any experience yet

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Yeah, of course
I pretend to know by experienced people what i should aiming for like which jobs in finantial area should i try to find once i have not any experience yet
Oh my, so, do you want to be an accountant, a controller, an auditor, working in M&A, Treasury, Corporate Finance? Bank, Corporate, NGO?

YouŽd need to decide what area of work attracts you most and what area you are good in.
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The salaries are different in Italian and German part?
Sometimes, but not always.

Sometimes they are even higher in the Italian part.

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Bachelors don't carry the same weight with employers here as having a Masters, neither do most MBA's. I would look at possibly doing a Masters at a Swiss uni which will give you more kudos when it comes to hiring, though you would need between CHF20,000-CHF30,000 a year as living costs to do one. They would be taught in English so no language probems there.

If you can't afford that then look at doing a Masters in Portugal or elsewhere in the EU - Germany is quite good cost-wise for that I think. But get that Masters, otherwise you're simply placing yourself behind other people who do have a Masters when it comes to getting hired.

I don't think there are as many financial/banking opportunities in the Italian speaking part of Switzerland compared to the German area so really German is probably what you should be learning.
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Oh my, so, do you want to be an accountant, a controller, an auditor, working in M&A, Treasury, Corporate Finance? Bank, Corporate, NGO?

YouŽd need to decide what area of work attracts you most and what area you are good in.
That's my point... Which should i aim for? Which one gives me better opportunities and salary in Switzerland?
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Apparently running the UBS isn't too shabby so maybe aim for that, though it looks like you might be better off moving to Japan. http://www.emolument.com/salary-repo...anies/ubs/8242
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Bachelors don't carry the same weight with employers here as having a Masters, neither do most MBA's. I would look at possibly doing a Masters at a Swiss uni which will give you more kudos when it comes to hiring, though you would need between CHF20,000-CHF30,000 a year as living costs to do one. They would be taught in English so no language probems there.

If you can't afford that then look at doing a Masters in Portugal or elsewhere in the EU - Germany is quite good cost-wise for that I think. But get that Masters, otherwise you're simply placing yourself behind other people who do have a Masters when it comes to getting hired.

I don't think there are as many financial/banking opportunities in the Italian speaking part of Switzerland compared to the German area so really German is probably what you should be learning.
Thanks a lot man, that actually was really useful...
Maybe i really should get an German course instead of an Italian one
But in relation to the Master degree there's any change to get a job just with my Bachelor's and get a Master in Switzerland while working?
Or I really should get a Master first and just then try to find a job there?
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But in relation to the Master degree there's any change to get a job just with my Bachelor's and get a Master in Switzerland while working?
Unlikely
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I agree with roegner. If you were an employer and had a dozen candidates with a Masters degree and another dozen with Bachelors, would you hire someone with only a Bachelors? Unless they had some outstanding other relevant qualification (forget experience because graudates won't have any to speak of) then sorry, but someone with a Masters will be the one hired.

The other thing you need to consider/keep an eye on is the fact that the Swiss voted to curb immigration from the EU. Okay, the Swiss government has gone for a "soft" option on that, not introducing any quota system, but many Swiss are not happy about it and there may be more referendums to force the government to introduce one. In which case one of the criteria may be the same as for non-EU nationals, i.e. a university degree. Okay, you've got one, but again employers would look for candidates who have a Masters as they'd be more likely to be acceptable to the Swiss authorities when granting a permit.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...wanderung.html
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Sometimes, but not always.

Sometimes they are even higher in the Italian part.

Tom
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I agree with roegner. If you were an employer and had a dozen candidates with a Masters degree and another dozen with Bachelors, would you hire someone with only a Bachelors? Unless they had some outstanding other relevant qualification (forget experience because graudates won't have any to speak of) then sorry, but someone with a Masters will be the one hired.

The other thing you need to consider/keep an eye on is the fact that the Swiss voted to curb immigration from the EU. Okay, the Swiss government has gone for a "soft" option on that, not introducing any quota system, but many Swiss are not happy about it and there may be more referendums to force the government to introduce one. In which case one of the criteria may be the same as for non-EU nationals, i.e. a university degree. Okay, you've got one, but again employers would look for candidates who have a Masters as they'd be more likely to be acceptable to the Swiss authorities when granting a permit.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...wanderung.html
I didn't know that actually
But what about if i could get a contract offer from a company...
It's like to prevent MASS immigration right?

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Hey guys, first of all i want to congratulate all of you for your contribution to this forum that is helping me a lot.

I'm a Portuguese 21 years old guy, i'm currently studying and i'll complete my graduation next year in Business Management Bachelor degree with Financial specialization and i'm seriously move to Switzerland 2 or 3 years from now because i think that have some experience here and make an Italian language course could be a plus.
I also have family in Switzerland but in German part, but i think i could adapt myself a lot better if i went to an Italian part of Switzerland because the Italian language looks easier to learn than German.
I would like to work in a company Management/Financial area.

::What do you advice me to do? (try to find something like an internship in Switzerland?/german language is more valuable than italian?)
::What's the salary if i could get a FIRST job in the area mentioned and how much can it increase (with experience and maybe an Swiss MBA in the future)
::And an additional question... The salaries are different in Italian and German part?
Just based on my experience; You could try to do an internship in one of the larger financial consultancies - its very hard work but invaluable for connections and networking and the work will teach you a lot in any case. You also have very likely the chance to try out a few different areas so that you can assess what you might like doing and what you're good at.
Difficult to answer a general question - but yes I think overall German is more desirable than Italian and also opens up a higher paying region of the world to work in (very generally speaking). My two cents
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Just based on my experience; You could try to do an internship in one of the larger financial consultancies - its very hard work but invaluable for connections and networking and the work will teach you a lot in any case. You also have very likely the chance to try out a few different areas so that you can assess what you might like doing and what you're good at.
Difficult to answer a general question - but yes I think overall German is more desirable than Italian and also opens up a higher paying region of the world to work in (very generally speaking). My two cents
That's my idea too because even if i couldn't be hired in the end of the internship by a larger company, that internship could give me other opportunities like smaller companies
Thank you for the optimism
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