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How to be a career counsellor in CH

Hi all,

Firstly, I'd like to thank you all for contributing to this forum - I have used this page in many instances previously and found the information to be useful and informative.

A bit of background about me - I am a Bachelor of Law/Bachelor of Psychological Science graduate (from an Australian university). I decided not to become a psychologist or lawyer and am currently working in Human Resources/Recruitment. Unfortunately this isn't the right fit for me, and I am thinking about pursuing a career in career counselling.

I am aware that there quite a few young adults have to decide their career path early on in Switzerland, and I wanted to see what types of jobs are available in schools/universities or externally to the education system. Furthermore, I wanted to see what credentials are required to gain a job as a career counsellor in Switzerland (if I require further education ie Masters in Psych, or potentially an apprenticeship in CH)?

Many thanks for any help you can provide.

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Re: How to be a career counsellor in CH

I would expect you to be fluent in D/F/I to work as an adviser. In Berne we have a local government centre for professional career advice,

http://www.biz.erz.be.ch/biz_erz/de/index.html

There is also a national website, https://www.berufsberatung.ch/
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Re: How to be a career counsellor in CH

Not only, you have to know the local customs, life styles and priorities, cultures (4 at least), work ethics and complicated job market with every exception and rule on earth. Usually young people get long term internships first, after their local masters or during and find placements. One also need connections or something special to show, it is a very small market. Then, there are private HR companies who deliver these services and employment might be less restricted. But you get nowhere pretty much, w/o masters, local language and experience.
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Re: How to be a career counsellor in CH

I see a tiny bit of irony in this question/thread

Anyway, have you ever worked in CH? Do you speak any of the local languages? I see your location is London - do you still live there? If not how do you intend to come here? Are you Australian or British?

You need to understand the market to be able to give advice on it. If you want to be credible of course. Without having decent knowledge of the local labor market, including rules and regulations, and without speaking any local language fluently, I'm not quite sure how you would have envisioned your work as a career counsellor to be.

I don't know if "career counsellor" is an actual profession here (but I will google a little if I find the time tomorrow) to find out. There must be some form of education for it, there is for pretty much everything. Whatever there is will likely be taught in the local language.
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The question simply doesn't make sense in a Swiss context because all careers in Switzerland are determined by one's bloodline. If you descend from a family of bakers, then you are a baker. Likewise, if you descend from a family of accountants, then you are an accountant.


This is why it has become necessary to invite workers from overseas during the twentieth century: several jobs exist now that didn't exist in 1291, and if there is nobody with the correct bloodline to do the job, then a foreigner must do it.


There was no McDonalds in the thirteenth century, so there are no Swiss qualified to work there in the twentieth century.


Your only hope, therefore, is to concentrate your efforts on the foreigners resident in Switzerland, which will entail learning Portuguese, Italian, Serbian, Albanian, Tamil and English.


Give a month for each language, and you should be fluent by the autumn.


Good luck!
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Usually young people get long term internships first, after their local masters or during and find placements.
There are, of course, the many youngsters who go to the local Berufsberatung (Career Guidance) during their last couple of years at school with a view to looking for an apprenticeship placing. There are many different fields of work which the youngsters, and their parents, have probably not considered (maybe not even heard of) and as the schools often don't teach the things which use the skills these youngsters possess, it is a challenge for the officials at these places to discover hidden interests and abilitites. Must be very interesting as a profession.
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Not only, you have to know the local customs, life styles and priorities, cultures (4 at least), work ethics and complicated job market with every exception and rule on earth. Usually young people get long term internships first, after their local masters or during and find placements. One also need connections or something special to show, it is a very small market. Then, there are private HR companies who deliver these services and employment might be less restricted. But you get nowhere pretty much, w/o masters, local language and experience.
I was not clear enough - I was talking about people who wish to have a career in local career counselling.
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Re: How to be a career counsellor in CH

So what is 'local career counselling'? Would it need other qualifications than any other sort? I honestly have no idea but would be interested to find out more. Just interest...
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Re: How to be a career counsellor in CH

I'm no expert, but as someone who recruits people and with kids approaching the relevant age.

1. Understand the local culture, education system, traditions and career paths.

2. Have training in young adult psychology and education.

You do OK on the 2nd, but have no chance on the 1st as an Aussie graduate living in London. Maybe a stint in HR or something in a Swiss company based here would be a starting point.
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Re: How to be a career counsellor in CH

To be a Carreer Counsel - Berufsberater - you will have to study again https://www.zhaw.ch/en/psychology/in...5252525252fiap.
Your German/F/I must be top notch and you need to know all the local customs. This will take years.

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Re: How to be a career counsellor in CH

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There was no McDonalds in the thirteenth century, so there are no Swiss qualified to work there in the twentieth century.
You nailed it. That's also the reason why there are no Swiss employees at Swiss Aldi stores. Aldi stands for Albrecht Discount, and the Swiss branch of the Albrecht clan, spread over all the German speaking countries, stuck to fledging crossbow bolts ever since they survived the battle of Sempach (July 9, 1386).

They had to adapt to modern times, though, a little bit anyway. These days most of them work for RUAG, attaching the tail fins to anti-tank warheads. But stacking canned beans at Aldi? No way.
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I would expect you to be fluent in D/F/I to work as an adviser. In Berne we have a local government centre for professional career advice,

http://www.biz.erz.be.ch/biz_erz/de/index.html

There is also a national website, https://www.berufsberatung.ch/
What be fluent in DFI ? Why is this a prerequisite?

Unless you are looking at it from the point of view of your own personal needs.

In which case fair enough.

I think the OP is on the right path. As for languages? If the skill is there the market reacts favourably and clients will not be a problem. And I would say it applies to this field of professional work more than most others. When people desire help in this area they are prepared to pay, multiple times too. I think this is heavily linked to physchology too. A very fascinating line of work.

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So what is 'local career counselling'? Would it need other qualifications than any other sort? I honestly have no idea but would be interested to find out more. Just interest...
It is quite particular here, the job is called "conseilleur psychologue en orientation". The requirements are precise, info on edu:

https://orientation.ch/dyn/show/1900?id=825
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Re: How to be a career counsellor in CH

Hi all,

Thanks all for your bits and pieces of wisdom/thoughts. You can always rely on the internet to be brutally honest! :P

To provide additional context, I am Australian and my partner is Swiss. I am on a two year working holiday visa in the UK and will be moving to Switzerland afterwards. I am currently learning German (slowly, and frustratingly). Fluent in English, and Cantonese.

I appreciate and understand the information you've all given. I expected the path to be riddled with difficulties as a foreigner (with much less understanding of the culture/customs than a native) but nonetheless wanted to see if it were a possibility. And in my mind, it still is!

Thanks so so much for taking the time out to provide your thoughts and advice.

-missv
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