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Old 24.04.2017, 15:48
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Re: Why is "no permit" a rejection point for EU job seekers?

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One word: Schengen.
Schengen has nothing whatsoever to do with FMOP.

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Old 24.04.2017, 15:52
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Re: Why is "no permit" a rejection point for EU job seekers?

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Did you read the headline? increased quotas for non-EU/EFTA nationals
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There still are quota limits for non-EU nationals. But you stated EU nationals who have no quota limits. So which are you? Make up your mind.
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2'000 L permits for EU/EFTA nationals
250 B permits for EU/EFTA nationals
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I never stated whether an increase or not, just existence at the start of the year.
I also did not say there were no quota limits.

I have no idea what you are trying to prove really.
Given there were quotas for EU nationals a few months ago, just show us when for clarity...
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Old 24.04.2017, 16:02
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Re: Why is "no permit" a rejection point for EU job seekers?

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I never stated whether an increase or not, just existence at the start of the year.
I also did not say there were no quota limits.

I have no idea what you are trying to prove..
But you left out the relevant bit.

"The quota for EU/EFTA nationals on assignment (no Swiss employment contract) will remain at the same level as in 2016."

These are for people on inter-company transfers and yes, there have always been quotas for that. As said they don't have a Swiss employment contract, but an expat one. For these the employer has to put their case to the Swiss authorities to get a permit, same as they do for non-EU nationals.

EU nationals who can produce a Swiss employment contract are fine as there are no quota limits to be applied. So no need for you to "get in early".
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Old 24.04.2017, 16:11
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Re: Why is "no permit" a rejection point for EU job seekers?

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But you left out the relevant bit.

"The quota for EU/EFTA nationals on assignment (no Swiss employment contract) will remain at the same level as in 2016."

These are for people on inter-company transfers and yes, there have always been quotas for that. As said they don't have a Swiss employment contract, but an expat one. For these the employer has to put their case to the Swiss authorities to get a permit, same as they do for non-EU nationals.

EU nationals who can produce a Swiss employment contract are fine as there are no quota limits to be applied. So no need for you to "get in early".
Thanks, that is clear.

Most information at the time suggested that EU permits were becoming more difficult to get based on some *pending* quota imposition because of that vote.
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Old 24.04.2017, 16:19
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Re: Why is "no permit" a rejection point for EU job seekers?

An actual quota limit was unlikely, but some employers were already going the "B/C permit holders only need apply" route.
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Old 24.04.2017, 17:00
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Re: Why is "no permit" a rejection point for EU job seekers?

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Most information at the time suggested that EU permits were becoming more difficult to get based on some *pending* quota imposition because of that vote.
Any source for this? At all?

You asked me what I am trying to prove. Simply put: I don't care what people talk about which restaurant to go to or similar discussions. But I'd really like to keep the info on important stuff correct.

And it really is that simple: Your posts are factually wrong and the link on EU assignments only confuses for no reason. There is no quota for EU nationals who want to do a normal job in Switzerland. There are no pending quotas either. The SVP wants them, but that means to quit the Schengen treaty and this is not going to happen quickly. End of story.
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Old 24.04.2017, 17:17
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Any source for this? At all?

You asked me what I am trying to prove. Simply put: I don't care what people talk about which restaurant to go to or similar discussions. But I'd really like to keep the info on important stuff correct.

And it really is that simple: Your posts are factually wrong and the link on EU assignments only confuses for no reason. There is no quota for EU nationals who want to do a normal job in Switzerland. There are no pending quotas either. The SVP wants them, but that means to quit the Schengen treaty and this is not going to happen quickly. End of story.
Yes yes we've moved on from that.

I misunderstood when I looked SwissInfo etc. Bless you for correcting me.
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Re: Why is "no permit" a rejection point for EU job seekers?

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Do you know exactly how it works?
In Spain/Poland/Germany RAV helps you find a job and grants you access to their job data base so you can freely apply for what u want.

How far from my reality is Switzerland?
Saph, you can definitely register with RAV as a jobseeker whether you are EU or non-EU. I guess you need to be a resident in Switzerland but I am not sure. They provide you with an AHV number. Whether they will help you find a job is a different matter though. RAV seems to be more interested in finding jobs for unemployment benefit receivers.
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Old 25.04.2017, 11:24
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Re: Why is "no permit" a rejection point for EU job seekers?

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Saph, you can definitely register with RAV as a jobseeker whether you are EU or non-EU.


Are you sure of that? Non EU people can only stay here when they have a residency/work permit or are here as a tourist (which prohibits the job search). I´d find it strange if they can still register with the RAV whilst not having a permit
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Old 25.04.2017, 12:24
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Saph, you can definitely register with RAV as a jobseeker whether you are EU or non-EU. I guess you need to be a resident in Switzerland but I am not sure. They provide you with an AHV number. Whether they will help you find a job is a different matter though. RAV seems to be more interested in finding jobs for unemployment benefit receivers.
Because their job is to get people on unemployment benefit off of it asap. People who don't claim it, don't need and won't get RAV's help although you can use their job database to search for work.

A non-EU national would only be able to register with RAV IF they already have a Swiss permit,have been made unemployed and are entitled to claim unemployment benefit.
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Re: Why is "no permit" a rejection point for EU job seekers?

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Why would I do that?
To be registered in job market and I hope to find job faster by being there. Usually employers get a discount on employees that are registered as unemployed in RAV.
Someone said anything about obtaining permit, this is not my goal here. The permit you will get once u bing a contract to registration office, that's not a problem.

I was applying from Spain to switzerland for 1 year, now I am in german border since 1 year and still not much luck. I was invited for 5 interview from which one was the closest u can get to being presented to CFO... I am just sick of getting rejections
Therefore that's a proof that your problem IS NOT about the B permit because you are already being invited for interviews! If not having the permit was problem you wouldn't be invited for an interview.

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The point is whether you're in Spain, Germany or here without a permit of any kind you're going to struggle. Why? Because the Swiss voted to curb immigration from the EU back in 2014 and although the Swiss government hasn't imposed quota limits on EU permits they are encouraging employers even more than before to hire people who already have a permit to live and work here. So you'll see many job adverts stating that only B or C permit holders need apply. Even when you register you'll only get an L permit for 3 months, but at least that's a bit better than no permit at all.
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But there are no quotas for EU nationals. The Swiss government backed down on that due to the EU's bullying. Which is why they're putting emphasis on hiring people who already have a permit instead. Best they could do without shattering all the bilateral agreements.

Medea, I really really think in most of your posts you are a really kind and helpful person. I salute you for that.

However, from time to time you come up with something out of nowhere that is completely non-fact based.

There is now no such "recommendations" to hire local people. It is as it has been going for years, even before the referendum: two guys have the same skills, same experience, same performance on the interviews, etc.etc., but ONE is already living here and the other is in Spain. Why the hell the company would spend more money with relocation assistance bringing the other guy?

What has been decided is that IF unemployment goes above a certain threshold, in specific regions and industries, then the cantons will recommend that companies give preference for locals. AFAIK, at least in the German speaking cantons, there is no high unemployment that would trigger that.

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I have. I just moved back to Switzerland and the lack of current permit was a bit of a bugger for some jobs,

I think it's quite reasonable: the perfect candidate from the EU but not already in country may not get a permit if the quotas run out. Therefore, why would a company invest time+effort to bring that candidate over for an interview etc.

Additionally, the candidate will have started the moving process and given up their old job: then they find there is no permit, hence no job.

Blame the voters, not the companies.
All you have written is fair but the main point is that there won't have any quotas.
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Old 26.04.2017, 19:12
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Medea, I really really think in most of your posts you are a really kind and helpful person. I salute you for that.

However, from time to time you come up with something out of nowhere that is completely non-fact based.

There is now no such "recommendations" to hire local people. It is as it has been going for years, even before the referendum: two guys have the same skills, same experience, same performance on the interviews, etc.etc., but ONE is already living here and the other is in Spain. Why the hell the company would spend more money with relocation assistance bringing the other guy?

What has been decided is that IF unemployment goes above a certain threshold, in specific regions and industries, then the cantons will recommend that companies give preference for locals. AFAIK, at least in the German speaking cantons, there is no high unemployment that would trigger that.

All you have written is fair but the main point is that there won't have any quotas.
Yes, I know it's been going on for years, even before Parliament finally made a decision. But at least it's now official.

"During the autumn 2016 session of Parliament, the National Council was the first chamber to debate the Federal Council’s draft proposal. On 21 September 2016, it adopted a 'light' version of the proposal to assure preferential treatment of Swiss nationals on the labour market. The proposal was taken up by the Council of States during its winter 2016 session. The two chambers reached agreement on a new law that is compatible with the existing rules on the free movement of persons so as not to jeopardise Switzerland’s bilateral agreements with the EU."

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...wanderung.html

Of course how employers interpret that is entirely up to them.
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Therefore that's a proof that your problem IS NOT about the B permit because you are already being invited for interviews! If not having the permit was problem you wouldn't be invited for an interview.
I just forgot to say that I got 5 interviews in 2.5+ years.

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I just forgot to say that I got 5 interviews in 2.5+ years.
Well, it depends of a lot of factors: the demand for professionals in your area, your CV, etc. etc.
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Well, it depends of a lot of factors: the demand for professionals in your area, your CV, etc. etc.
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IT with 4 years of experience in Windows support English, Spanish, Catalan, Polish Fluent and German c1 ain't enough

Got to keep trying tho, to live The Swiss dream
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