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Re: How to get a way from almost getting away from everything

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My dear samaire13 based on speaking with family members and checking the net minimum salaries in swis are almost triple then those in israel (in israel the salary will be closed to 1200 chf and in switzerland it will be as rachel moore said around 3000chf)thanks for the health insurance remark what kind of other payments i will need to pay as a swiss citizen.
And rachel of course i am saying that wit owe yet i have the feeling you think i am kind of a spoiled kid who think he would collect money from the swiss trees or something i was in the miltary for 3 years i do have some mental strength
(By the way there is a big problem with speaking trhow writing let me be clear that i am thankfull for everybody and trying not to be arrogant in any way)
Hi and welcome to our community.

Just a note to say there are people who do not read any arrogance in your posts at all. For some, you might be less local (despite your passport and your family effort to integrate you) for some people here, than if you were local local. Better get used to it.

The saving cash - it is an issue you will have to see for yourself and how you personally can live, on what amount.

The local language - get busy learning!

Hat down for long and tough service in IS. I have a feeling you will not have a problem with adjustment and adapting.

Bonne chance!
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Old 13.04.2017, 18:33
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what kind of other payments i will need to pay as a swiss citizen.
The same every other resident does. Social insurances, taxes.

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if you don't do this sort of thing at 21, when are you going to? As long as your eyes are open, OP.
Sure. If it's about experiencing the world or whatever, by all means, OP can go ahead and enjoy.

But the questions were: how easy is it to find a job with no German. Answer: not easy at all. And the next one was: Do you recommend for a young guy to move to Swiss/Switzerland. Answer: no, not if you don't speak the language, have no qualifications at all and are hoping for a job.

OP can do whatever he wants. But as said in the very first comment - if the hope is to find a job without brushing up on German to at least B2 (both active and passive), to then be able to earn enough money to actually save some, then yeah no, not really the best way to go and not really realistic. Simple as that.

Just trying to avoid another thread in the complaints corner 5 months from now... Pragmatism doesn't hurt. I don't see OP being interested in "experiencing the world". He is interested in earning money, which is perfectly fine, but for that purpose, given his/her particular circumstances, his/her idea is simply not the best one.
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Old 13.04.2017, 18:40
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Re: How to get a way from almost getting away from everything

I wonder if Swiss army would employ him, for his language or army related competences, actually. We place students there, they do hire. But I do not know the restrictions. I taught soldiers (diff army) so I know there were exceptions. Maybe he could contact their HR dept. He does need to get local language up to scratch, fast. For anything.

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Re: How to get a way from almost getting away from everything

Hi again Shailavi, regarding the expense of room rental that has very correctly been mentioned, my original reply to you spoke of working in a ski resort, and I know for a fact that some of these bars/restaurants also offer food and board to certain employees, perhaps worth considering?


And again with the ski resorts , some high-end ones (Wengen, Gstaad, Zermatt, St Moritz, Verbier, Crans-Montana) have luxury hotels and spa hotels, perhaps a job as a bell boy, runner, spa help, kitchen porter could also be an idea...unless you are a fantastic skier or boarder then you could get a job as an instructor?!


When I was young(er), I took the decision to pack a case and see the world as well...Switzerland was one of these places, my French was school French, as was my Spanish, but I improved. I worked in a restaurant kitchen, in the mornings prepping veg, and during service time I ran the bar (Swiss bar that is...beers, wine and coffees...no cocktails thank god)


While you are young there's nothing like discovering the world...especially after 3 years in uniform and dangerous situations...I wish you all the luck and fun possible, it will be an adventure of a lifetime.
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Re: How to get a way from almost getting away from everything

In basel there's a jewish quarter, maybe you have some connections? That's how many people find work, through family/community that own shops.
But don't come with the expectation of saving money, just of learning swiss german and having an experience abroad should be your objective.
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Re: How to get a way from almost getting away from everything

Shai, there are a lot of Israelis in Zurich. The best would be if you could hook up with that crowd and I'm sure they'll sort you out with some work.

In Zurich there is also a student home where a lot of Israelis live -- not all of them students. You can PM me for the address. The rents are very low (bedsits of varying size/price). The Chabad rabbi in Zurich is also well connected to many Israelis -- so he might be able to help. Also, even if your family in Switzerland cannot help you, they might be able to put you in touch with some people who could.
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Re: How to get a way from almost getting away from everything

Bokertov toda raba you seems like a really good person and defently know the mind set of after army israeli guy
Rachel moore yes it's sounds great i will defently check this option out it can be really cool adventure
Msmaddymax maybe after being a while in basel i wil consider moving to zurich
big thank you to everyone who shared their tougths
I hoped that i will be able to connect to my roots and expirence the world with saving money but i probebly need to choose one i will go with switzerland and my original plan but with much lower expectations and much higer will power and see what will happen
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Re: How to get a way from almost getting away from everything

These may give you some more info.

https://www.eda.admin.ch/publikation...itzerland.html

http://www.aso.ch/files/webcontent/r..._with_logo.pdf

http://www.eures.ch/en/jobsch/return/
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Sure. If it's about experiencing the world or whatever, by all means, OP can go ahead and enjoy.

But the questions were: how easy is it to find a job with no German. Answer: not easy at all. And the next one was: Do you recommend for a young guy to move to Swiss/Switzerland. Answer: no, not if you don't speak the language, have no qualifications at all and are hoping for a job.

OP can do whatever he wants. But as said in the very first comment - if the hope is to find a job without brushing up on German to at least B2 (both active and passive), to then be able to earn enough money to actually save some, then yeah no, not really the best way to go and not really realistic. Simple as that.

Just trying to avoid another thread in the complaints corner 5 months from now... Pragmatism doesn't hurt. I don't see OP being interested in "experiencing the world". He is interested in earning money, which is perfectly fine, but for that purpose, given his/her particular circumstances, his/her idea is simply not the best one.
You make very good points, but interestingly enough, that's not at all how I read the OP.

The way I read it is: hey, I just finished 3 years of grueling Israeli army, I need to get away for a while before "adulting", oh by the way, I am Swiss, so why not take advantage of the fact I have a passport, get over there, maybe earn some cash in the meantime, and so forth?

Not at all uncommon to have a "gap period" after the army, in fact, all the people I know who have done their IDF service go "bum around" somewhere in the world for a few months, unless they already have some responsibilities - kids, spouse, dependent parents, mortgage, etc.

I guess the OP's thought process was along the lines of: why "bum around" (for lack of better term) in a random country, when I can "bum around", and perhaps earn some cash, in a country where I am actually a citizen, I have family, etc.? Totally legit in my opinion.
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You make very good points, but interestingly enough, that's not at all how I read the OP.

The way I read it is: hey, I just finished 3 years of grueling Israeli army, I need to get away for a while before "adulting", oh by the way, I am Swiss, so why not take advantage of the fact I have a passport, get over there, maybe earn some cash in the meantime, and so forth?

Not at all uncommon to have a "gap period" after the army, in fact, all the people I know who have done their IDF service go "bum around" somewhere in the world for a few months, unless they already have some responsibilities - kids, spouse, dependent parents, mortgage, etc.

I guess the OP's thought process was along the lines of: why "bum around" (for lack of better term) in a random country, when I can "bum around", and perhaps earn some cash, in a country where I am actually a citizen, I have family, etc.? Totally legit in my opinion.
You totally nailed it but in adittion i wil consider to continue being in europe for few more years if the expirience will be positive
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Re: How to get a way from almost getting away from everything

@shailavi
If you are not already following it, you might look at this thread from another Swiss thinking of "returning" to Switzerland from abroad.
https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...-door-c-v.html

That thread includes more links which could be of help to you.
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