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Not really. Never quit a job before find a new one unless your health is at risk. And that includes your mental health.
Actually... if your mental health is at risk, and you quit, good luck getting unemployment benefits.
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Re: How to deal with being exploited?

I would strongly suggest looking for a new job. I agree that you should talk to your employers, but from your description of the situation, I would be surprised if that went well. I was in a similar situation as a nanny years ago (live-in). I sat them down and explained my problems. The "nice" family got really nasty, really quickly. People that use you don't like it when you start setting limits. I would still have the conversation, but have an exit plan in place. It's easier to set boundaries from the beginning, so you are likely to have a better time with a new family and insist from the get-go that everything be in writing. I'm sorry you are having this experience--good luck!!
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Re: How to deal with being exploited?

For the OP, this is an assertive problem. She needs to stand up for herself and learn to say no. If she doesn't, she will only go into a new job and it will just happen all over again.

Unfortunately, there are just too many employers of nannies and aupairs out there who completely take the piss.. especially if the girl is naive and wants to help, it's not long before they'll have her painting a wall or scrubbing out the cellar.

The OP needs to learn not to be a pushover, and being assertive doesn't mean you have to argue or be unpleasant.
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Actually... if your mental health is at risk, and you quit, good luck getting unemployment benefits.
Actually, if your mental health is at risk, **** getting unemployment benefits - your well-being is worth more than that. As my good friend who works in HR said, when I was being forced out of my job, "No job is worth your sanity".

To think otherwise leads to a slave mentality. Never fear your employer.
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Actually, if your mental health is at risk, **** getting unemployment benefits - your well-being is worth more than that. As my good friend who works in HR said, when I was being forced out of my job, "No job is worth your sanity".

To think otherwise leads to a slave mentality. Never fear your employer.
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If you are sick, mentally or physically, go to your doctor, get proper treatment, if possible without quitting.
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People that use you don't like it when you start setting limits. I would still have the conversation, but have an exit plan in place. It's easier to set boundaries from the beginning, so you are likely to have a better time with a new family and insist from the get-go that everything be in writing.
My thoughts exactly.
Having an exit plan might also mean to be ready to quit her job, or to report them if they get nasty. Plus she should ask them to pay her back everything the mister "forgot" to pay to the tax office.

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I sat them down and explained my problems. The "nice" family got really nasty, really quickly.
Why am I not surprised..
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Not really. Never quit a job before find a new one unless your health is at risk. And that includes your mental health.
i totally agree. your life, your health anything could be in danger
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Re: How to deal with being exploited?

This isn't exploitation. If you don't tell the family no, then they have every reason to assume you're ok with things. It sounds like you have different expectations about the work, and that it's your failure to communicate that is the cause of the problem.

As for the pay - you mentioned being below where usually "should" be - that's entirely because you accepted that pay. You can always ask for more, but I doubt you'll get it - they've already given you more money for the cleaning, and the role may not be worth more to them. But good luck.
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This isn't exploitation. If you don't tell the family no, then they have every reason to assume you're ok with things. It sounds like you have different expectations about the work, and that it's your failure to communicate that is the cause of the problem.

As for the pay - you mentioned being below where usually "should" be - that's entirely because you accepted that pay. You can always ask for more, but I doubt you'll get it - they've already given you more money for the cleaning, and the role may not be worth more to them. But good luck.
I don't think you read all her posts very carefully.
Hiring someone as a nanny and using her as a servant most of the time, despite of what's written in the agreement...not paying her all the money written in the contract plus not paying her for the extra hours is not exploitation? So they do nothing wrong because OP is not "assertive"?
Hmm.
I would say let the Swiss authorities decide. After reading a few articles and studies on this theme, I'd say they started to get used with these cases.

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Re: How to deal with being exploited?

Any employer have the right to assign tasks to an employee that are according to current need of employer and that are in line with the common tasks of the function.

The OP was hired as a nanny and additionaly as a cleaner. My guess is that the employer currently need more cleaning hours and less nanny hours and thus have realocated the hours of each task accordingly.

The employee can accept or decline. If decline, the employer has to write an Aenderungskündigung and if employee doesnt sign, then contract is terminated according to notice period.

It is all regulated in OR and Arbeitsrecht and as both parties can exit the contract at any time, there is no expoitation taking place.



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I don't think you read all her posts very carefully.
Hiring someone as a nanny and using her as a servant most of the time, despite of what's written in the agreement...not paying her all the money written in the contract plus not paying her for the extra hours is not exploitation?
Hmm.
I would say let's the Swiss authorities decide.
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Any employer have the right to assign tasks to an employee that are according to current need of employer and that are in line with the common tasks of the function.

The OP was hired as a nanny and additionaly as a cleaner. My guess is that the employer currently need more cleaning hours and less nanny hours and thus have realocated the hours of each task accordingly.

The employee can accept or decline. If decline, the employer has to write an Aenderungskündigung and if employee doesnt sign, then contract is terminated according to notice period.

It is all regulated in OR and Arbeitsrecht and as both parties can exit the contract at any time, there is no expoitation taking place.
OP was hired for 90% of her working hours as a nanny, and now the percentage is almost reversed. (the cleaning job was for 4 hours a week). I mean, sure, but there must be some margins here.. The employer failed to communicate their need for this rather big change as much as OP failed to decline their tasks. Plus there is also a problem with working extra-hours and not being payed, and not being payed all the money for the past years.
OP might shed more light on the case, but as it sounds, it is not only a matter of miscommunication from OP's part.
I am not trying to convince her to report them, but wouldn't advice her to totally exclude this option...at least get some serious legal advice, am sure there are organisations which can give this kind of help for free. It is not at all unheard of domestic employees being exploited, and it is not so clear cut as in an ordinary company.

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A nanny job is different from that of an air hostess. If someone works as an air hostess she is not asked to iron the pilot's shirt for free for example. Besides, an air hostess travels the world while being paid so this is the reason for their salary. As I have read, I should be earning at about 4500 just for being a nanny. But it doesn't bother me that you have a different opinion. To answer your question I work 45 hours a week and my extra hours are not being paid either.



They are paying it according to my salary declaration...
I have to say that the salary honestly isn't fair for you as you really do a lot( I've done the same myself , I mean the same job before ) but there are so many others jobs where people do not earn the same and they work "more". But I understand you, believe me. The issue here is that you are a nanny first of all and not housekeeper and I think that all the cleaning is taking all your time. Talk to them and tell them to find another person to do the cleaning as they had before because you feel that is a little too much. That way you go back to normal?
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I have to say that the salary honestly isn't fair for you as you really do a lot( I've done the same myself , I mean the same job before ) but there are so many others jobs where people do not earn the same and they work "more". But I understand you, believe me. The issue here is that you are a nanny first of all and not housekeeper and I think that all the cleaning is taking all your time. Talk to them and tell them to find another person to do the cleaning as they had before because you feel that is a little too much. That way you go back to normal?
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The thing is that them hiring a cleaner would not solve the problem. When they had a cleaner I was still the one cleaning their windows. When the cleaner didn't come, they just put their clothes in the laundry with those from the children and expected me to wash and iron them as a natural process... and yes it's my fault that I did it. I will have to quit, I know this. But I will need to stay for another 2-3 months with them so that I can find another job and so on.. I don't think I ever want to work again as a nanny or in a private household, so I will have to find something different.
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If this is really so and you think what my employers are doing is correct then why do you think the following thing happened:
Her accountant came to the house and they were checking different documents. While I was cooking I overheard their conversation. My boss was explaining to the accountant that their previous cleaner has left but they had her employed with contract and so on and "now we do it ourself". (meaning that THEY are cleaning the house now) .
That's not nice from your employer the "we do it ourself ".Nevertheless take it easy , is both parts gulty you for not saying NO, and them to "abuse " with so may tasks ... talk it over and start searching for a new job but honestly be positive because otherwise you will be really depressed, the job itlsef id not easy to handle ... and you have to enjoy at least the fact that you have a job... soon you will find something better
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The thing is that them hiring a cleaner would not solve the problem. When they had a cleaner I was still the one cleaning their windows. When the cleaner didn't come, they just put their clothes in the laundry with those from the children and expected me to wash and iron them as a natural process... and yes it's my fault that I did it. I will have to quit, I know this. But I will need to stay for another 2-3 months with them so that I can find another job and so on.. I don't think I ever want to work again as a nanny or in a private household, so I will have to find something different.
Please ask them (politely) to pay you everything they still owe you, OP. Don't make it so simple for them. They are entitled to nothing. Don't continue as it is, 2 or 3 months is a long time for someone who is already struggling. You are not made out of iron, these things can have repercussions on you - your mental and physical health.
Take care and hugs. And good luck in your future, doing whatever you like to do and being appreciated as you deserve.
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Re: How to deal with being exploited?

That is irrelevant. You have a choice and thus are not exploited. You can accept the new allocation of tasks or you can decline. If you decline they have to provide you with the old task allocation during the notice period and then you are free to go after the notice period is up.

They are also oblige to pay you overtime if you have been doing extra hours (over 45). Alternatively they can request that you compensate the hours in time. They can for example relese you early from your notice period if you chose to quit and take this as compensation for overtime hours.

It is all regulated and it seems to me they have not broken any regulations except maybe for the overtime hours.

Are you live-in or live-out btw?

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If this is really so and you think what my employers are doing is correct then why do you think the following thing happened:
Her accountant came to the house and they were checking different documents. While I was cooking I overheard their conversation. My boss was explaining to the accountant that their previous cleaner has left but they had her employed with contract and so on and "now we do it ourself". (meaning that THEY are cleaning the house now) .
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That is irrelevant. You have a choice and thus are not exploited. You can accept the new allocation of tasks or you can decline. If you decline they have to provide you with the old task allocation during the notice period and then you are free to go after the notice period is up.

They are also oblige to pay you overtime if you have been doing extra hours (over 45). Alternatively they can request that you compensate the hours in time. They can for example relese you early from your notice period if you chose to quit and take this as compensation for overtime hours.

It is all regulated and it seems to me they have not broken any regulations except maybe for the overtime hours.

Are you live-in or live-out btw?
I'm live-in ,unfortunately. This makes it a bit harder to change...
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Re: How to deal with being exploited?

Then you need to know that your salary is in fact approx 1'000 CHF higher as room and board is also part of your salay. If you look at your salary slip that should be clearly stated. Meaning your salary is actually 4'600 CHF.



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I'm live-in ,unfortunately. This makes it a bit harder to change...
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Then you need to know that your salary is in fact approx 1'000 CHF higher as room and board is also part of your salay. If you look at your salary slip that should be clearly stated. Meaning your salary is actually 4'600 CHF.
Actually this is not the case because they still take off money from the 3600 for food and lodge...
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