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Quitting job or waiting to get fired

Hello everybody. This is my first post although I'm following this forum for a while now.

Here's my situation. I came to Switzerland about three years ago. I started with very low salary with an idea that I'll find something better later. So I signed a contract with one month Kündigungsfrist.

My salary is still low, I'm not improving at my workplace, I could do much more and the attitude in our small office is getting worse. My strategy was to keep the had low and not complain. A mistake. By doing this you give them all the reasons to treat you badly.

Situation is getting worse now. I'm pretty sure that people will get fired in the next few months. After all that I had put up in this office, I don't want to give them the last satisfaction by firing me. I would like to be in control of the situation and quit before they pull the trigger.

I'm not aware of the consequences of this actions. This is my first job and I was never fired or quit. It would feel sooooo good to quit but is this really a smart idea? How will the next employer look at the situation, is it better to be fired because of the economical situation (and take a huge ego hit and live with stigma) or quit?
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Old 25.05.2017, 13:52
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Re: Quitting job or waiting to get fired

Quit only if you are confident you can secure a new position quickly or already have one in hand (if you want to work that is) otherwise getting fired is better option. These days its no big deal (if its restructuring), no stigma or shame attached to it....if its performance based thats another thing.
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Old 25.05.2017, 14:05
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Re: Quitting job or waiting to get fired

Lack of info from you doesn't help to get correct answers. Are you EU or non-EU? What type of Swiss permit do you have? Married to a Swiss/EU national?

In any case quitting means you'll be penalised by RAV for some time before any payments would be made, assuming you'll be entitled to payments. Wait until you're fired.
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Old 25.05.2017, 14:08
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Hello everybody. This is my first post although I'm following this forum for a while now.

Here's my situation. I came to Switzerland about three years ago. I started with very low salary with an idea that I'll find something better later. So I signed a contract with one month Kündigungsfrist.

My salary is still low, I'm not improving at my workplace, I could do much more and the attitude in our small office is getting worse. My strategy was to keep the had low and not complain. A mistake. By doing this you give them all the reasons to treat you badly.

Situation is getting worse now. I'm pretty sure that people will get fired in the next few months. After all that I had put up in this office, I don't want to give them the last satisfaction by firing me. I would like to be in control of the situation and quit before they pull the trigger.

I'm not aware of the consequences of this actions. This is my first job and I was never fired or quit. It would feel sooooo good to quit but is this really a smart idea? How will the next employer look at the situation, is it better to be fired because of the economical situation (and take a huge ego hit and live with stigma) or quit?
During those three years did you look for something better?
Well, if not and you feel people will get fired it's high time to do so now, no?

Actively look for a new job - a good one too this time - if luck is with you you will have one - and get the satisfactory feeling of quitting - before they start firing people. Or you will have one by the time they do fire you. If not you will have something to show for at RAV when/if you do get fired and have learnt a thing or two about what counts here when looking for a job.

Don't quit if you're not financially secure - no matter how big the temptation

Ask for a "Zwischenzeugnis" (interim report), you are entitled to get that at any time. No need to tell them you're looking for a job. If asked, tell them you've been with them for three years and would just like to have one. You can use it for your job search as it seems it will be the only one that covers your time in Switzerland.
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Re: Quitting job or waiting to get fired

I am EU citizen with B permit. Not married.

I did a lot in last 3 years (its acctualy 28 months). After work I was working on parallel projects to improve my portfolio. It will be in a book form and that takes time. It's hard to work on it after 10h at work, I sacraficed my social life for it. Plus, it was my first job and I was desperate for experiences in my CV.

My problem is that I don't trust them anymore. They never said anything bad about my work but still... what can stop them to trash me in a quitting letter? And will the future employer realy believe my story?
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Old 25.05.2017, 14:47
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I am EU citizen with B permit. Not married.

I did a lot in last 3 years (its acctualy 28 months). After work I was working on parallel projects to improve my portfolio. It will be in a book form and that takes time. It's hard to work on it after 10h at work, I sacraficed my social life for it. Plus, it was my first job and I was desperate for experiences in my CV.

My problem is that I don't trust them anymore. They never said anything bad about my work but still... what can stop them to trash me in a quitting letter? And will the future employer realy believe my story?
As I said, look for a new job now. And don't waste your time on worrying about things you will only know when they happen if they happen at all.

Will future employer believe what story? If the "story" is true what does it matter?
You don't need a story anyway. You are looking for a new job because you want to change the field/improve your position/the offer caught your interest (they like that one)/want to expand your knowledge .... what ever it is that fits.
It's none of the new boss' business why you leave the old job only why you want the new one.

It is a very normal thing to look for a job. And if you still have one while you do you are in a better position (for some weired reason ).
Go for it!
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Old 25.05.2017, 14:49
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Re: Quitting job or waiting to get fired

None of them, meanwhile try to get better job, then quit.
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None of them, meanwhile try to get better job, then quit.
+ 1 on this one. Fully agree.
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Old 25.05.2017, 19:36
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Re: Quitting job or waiting to get fired

Although the situation is not exactly the same, you might also find some food for thought in this related thread:
https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...my-rights.html
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Re: Quitting job or waiting to get fired

Thanks for all the answers. I decided not to quit.
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Re: Quitting job or waiting to get fired

It is better to say what is your position/occupation and how much is your salary(and the area where you are located now).
Then the people can say you more precise advises about what should eb your salary and is ii easy to find a new one.
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If you are fired,you are more obligated from a social point of view-you can use some benefits.
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Old 26.05.2017, 15:08
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It is better to say what is your position/occupation and how much is your salary(and the area where you are located now).
Then the people can say you more precise advises about what should eb your salary and is ii easy to find a new one.
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Not necessary here, think OP got the advice needed. And in the situation discussed it is not relevant where OP works or what OP earns.
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Old 26.05.2017, 16:33
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Re: Quitting job or waiting to get fired

You can request a Zwischenarbeitszeugnis, an interim qualification, any time you like, for any or no reason at all. Actually after 2-3 years at the same job it's a good thing reardless of your situation (unless there's reason for a bad one and you want time to improve). That will also help with your job hunt, if you decide to, while you keep having the current one.
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Re: Quitting job or waiting to get fired

Don't be too worried about what might happen if they should fire you.

From every job you'll receive an "Arbeitszeugnis" (reference letter) from the employer in which is stated what your tasks were & also on how you did your job (motivation, team player etc.). By law the employer is not allowed to give you an "Arbeitszeugnis" which might reduce your chances of finding a new job.

But have you actually tried to speak to your employer to find out what the situation is?
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Re: Quitting job or waiting to get fired

Why the groan TodayO??? It is excellent advice to discuss the issues with the employer and try to work out how things can be improved, by both sides.

In fact, in the case I mentionned last year- about someone who gave up his job and took the Unemployment board to the Federal Court because they refused to pay him unemployment benefits as he had quit- the Court clearly stated that their decision was based on the fact he did not make any attempt to discuss the issues with the employer, and give them a chance to address the problems.

So asking for support from employer and discussin issues- could make a huge difference in the outcome- if the employee then quits as issues are not resolved and employer has dug heels. The unemployment insurance scheme is for those who lose their jobs, not for those who quit- unless eveything has been attempted (and make sure it is documented) first.
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But have you actually tried to speak to your employer to find out what the situation is?
Never. I should probably but for the first job i kept my head low. One guy spoke to them about his situation and he got fired few months later. Maybe a coincidence but still, he was a good employee. I think it's better to be quiet for now and look for a new job. I have however doubts about getting a new job while still being employed.
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Re: Quitting job or waiting to get fired

Well, yes- I see what you mean. But if you are prepared to quit, and lose unemployment benefits- surely being sacked because you have done eveything to solve the problems- and get the process properly recorded - would at least mean you will not have problems with unemployment payments.
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Re: Quitting job or waiting to get fired

Hi OP,

I fully sympathise with you.

The insecurity also describes exactly how many IT staff feel within the finance work marketplace now-a-days. Also those with many years (with the little red book) well structured experience, high-cost locations especially.
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Old 27.05.2017, 23:17
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Well, with only one month of notice period, at least you won't have the problem of having to find somebody who will hire you in six months.
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Re: Quitting job or waiting to get fired

my wife decided to quit her job 2 weeks ago after some months of frustration with the new boss ( female...) after the maternity leave.
she had a preliminary meeting with her HR who knew the situation and advised her to not find get fired but (if really decided) to resign.
reason for that was about the communication they (HR) will give in their letter (i don't know the name in german) describing the duties, performance and history of the leaving employee.
she said that the new potential employers value much more the resignation than the firing (whatever reason behind it).
as cons, RAV will not support you from the beginning but after 1-3 months.
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