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Help/Tips for working in Zurich? (Just moved, No German)

First post here, but I have been reading these forums for a long time since coming to switzerland was something me and my woman have been working on for some time now!


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Nothing of value really, I have a BA in Construction engineering but little experience. I worked for Vodafone UK customer support call center for over half a year. I can speak fluent English, I am native in Arabic and I am learning German at a quite good pace (Still at basic, just recently started school and was self educating before that)


Some back story if someone is interested

My soon to be wife (Swiss permanent resident) has major depression and due to being sexually harassed at work a while ago her depression is in a very bad state, she had to quit that job. (there was not much to be done about that, she was threatened to be accused of stealing if she says anything about it, I hope they get what they deserve someday.)

I left Egypt and came to CH Zurich (About 20 days ago), to support her emotionally, It was our dream to live together, and now it was time, or so we thought. Now I want to be able to support her financially, help her, not lose her (Everyday she is further away, she feels guilty for bringing me here when she can't work or support us, pressured, stressed, we had many plans but they are all dust now, she is the love of my life, I would have went back to my country otherwise). Give her space, time and let her find a job at her own pace while keeping her focused on going to a doctor.[*]

I know it is hard to find a job without qualifications, certificates and most importantly, German. However I am willing to scrub, clean, wash toilets, labor (I could say I have good base strength and a strong back) anything that needs to be done to secure an income to help my girl. And me not being in her face all day to remind her how she brought me from my country to sit next to her is definitely going to help her alot. Hell, If a job is impossible, Apprenticeships, Education, volunteering (Probably not cause I will have to spend money on train and I need an income not a deficit, If its near Buchs dietlikon, 100% up for volunteering even if i got a job and school)

I'd be so happy if someone could point me to a direction, a person, a company, anything. I am hard working and fast learning. Thank you for taking time to read.
Feel free to inbox message me for contact information (Not likely, but you know, a man can hope)
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She didn't go to social services yet because she was afraid they would make a problem about me coming if she was not financially dependent. After we get married officially, we will go, and I will go to the job office, however I was told without German B2 at least, its very unlikely that they will be able to provide me with a job anytime soon. However I still don't want her to be stressed about finances, I want her to take her time getting better and to choose a job that she likes. Yes we could have done things better, but it is what it is and what happened happened and we can't change it.
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Re: Help/Tips for working in Zurich? (Just moved, No German)

If you don't understand german, how will you follow instructions from coworkers or your chef ?
Currently there is a lot of pressure on the jobmarket , even in the area, where
the low income jobs reside.Summer is arriving, so the joboffers vanish, because there is not much business in the summer months here in zurich, except the airport and trainstations are busy.

What kind of permit do you hold ?
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Old 12.06.2017, 20:26
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An how are you for a permit? No permit, no job
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Re: Help/Tips for working in Zurich? (Just moved, No German)

While I'm glad you want to support your future wife, the fact is that you can't. As a non-EU national it will be impossible to hire you as Swiss/EU nationals have priority and employers have to prove they can't find any to wash, clean, sweep, etc. For such unskilled positions an employer wouldn't even bother to apply for a permit for you as it would be a waste of their time and money because they stand no chance of getting one.

The non-EU hiring criteria is outline here:

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

Also as she is Swiss then sorry, but she's the one who has to show she can support you as you're her dependent.

And yes social services will make a fuss because she can't just bring you here (what visa did you arrive with?), get married and only then expect the state to look after both of you. It will make it seem like a sham marriage to get you into the country to be able to work because you can't get a permit any other way.

If things are that bad here, then perhaps she should have moved to Egypt to be with you where, I assume, you had a job and could have supported you both.
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Re: Help/Tips for working in Zurich? (Just moved, No German)

Guys, We are marrying in some days, just waiting health insurance to register in the city ETC. I will have a C type permit i believe afterwards.
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Guys, We are marrying in some days, just waiting health insurance to register in the city ETC. I will have a C type permit i believe afterwards.
But right now you do not have a permit. And unfortunately that is illegal. Try and sort this out soonest!
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Re: Help/Tips for working in Zurich? (Just moved, No German)

As you have a degree in construction engineering, try asking at building sites so you also get some practical experience. There's a lot of building work going on and you don't have to understand fluent German to work in the building trade as lots of different nationalities work together. You will be able to pick up basic German on the job.


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As you have a degree in construction engineering, try asking at building sites so you also get some practical experience. There's a lot of building work going on and you don't have to understand fluent German to work in the building trade as lots of different nationalities work together. You will be able to pick up basic German on the job.


Good luck!
Portuguese, Italian or even Spanish would be a bonus. (not to mention Serbian lol)
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Re: Help/Tips for working in Zurich? (Just moved, No German)

You will not get a C permit, but a one year B which has to be renewed every year. And until you actually have that permit you're still considered as a non-EU by employers so you're not going to be able to find work for a few more weeks/months. The marriage has to be recognised, your wife has to apply for family reunification for you where she will have to prove she can financially support you as she doesn't have a job at the moment and if the reunification application is approved you'll have to give biometric info down the line as well.

The requirments for EU/EFTA nationals.

https://www.ch.ch/en/family-reunification-eu-efta/

So if she can't financially support you I don't know if you'll get a permit.

If/when you actually have your permit then you can start looking for work and make it clear on your CV that you do have a B permit, otherwise they'll simply continue to consider you as a non-EU national and reject any applications for jobs.
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The requirments for EU/EFTA nationals.

https://www.ch.ch/en/family-reunification-eu-efta/
Are you from the EU OP? As you mention coming from Egypt?
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Yes, he' Egyptian. I'm assuming the soon to be wife is EU. But if not:

https://www.ch.ch/en/family-reunification/

Again, will need to prove she can support him financially which sounds as if it may be the main obstacle to getting a family reunification permit.
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I dont intend to work illegally, I am just checking options while we get the paper work done, just looking ahead.
I am here with a long stay visa for marriage preparation and family reunion.

I tried to look for jobs on the internet, on foot, in person, so when i get the paper done i could apply for something, but i couldnt find anything, hence am here.

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Yes, he' Egyptian. I'm assuming the soon to be wife is EU. But if not:

https://www.ch.ch/en/family-reunification/

Again, will need to prove she can support him financially which sounds as if it may be the main obstacle to getting a family reunification permit.
We already finished all the paper work and proved that in the past before i make the move, the process just took too long that things have changed now. But paper wise, everything is approved and we just need to register me in city and go to civil register.

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Re: Help/Tips for working in Zurich? (Just moved, No German)

Lestrang,
You must make very, very sure that you will be allowed to get married, and that you will be allowed to stay in Switzerland. You have done the paperwork, but the circumtances have changed.

Do not even consider working here illegally. You must have the permit in your hand (the one that says that you are allowed to live here and entitled to work here) before you take up any kind of work at all. Plan each step you take within the law. If you work here without ALL the papers, you risk being deported.

Now that I've issued that strict warning... I'd like to refer you to https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...fications.html where you might find something that helps you to find work, once you do have a permit.

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You must make very, very sure that you will be allowed to get married, and that you will be allowed to stay in Switzerland. You have done the paperwork, but the circumtances have changed.

Do not even consider working here illegally. You must have the permit in your hand (the one that says that you are allowed to live here and entitled to work here) before you take up any kind of work at all. Plan each step you take within the law. If you work here without ALL the papers, you risk being deported.

Now that I've issued that strict warning... I'd like to refer you to https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...fications.html where you might find something that helps you to find work, once you do have a permit.
Thank you, don't worry. I don't plan to do anything out of the legal system. If everything goes as planned, then good. If not, I will go back to my country if it needs to be done.
I will read that thread.

If no luck with information there, am still open for suggestions here, even volunteering, If i wont be making money at least i can give her time and space while we figure it out.
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If no luck with information there, am still open for suggestions here, even volunteering, If i wont be making money at least i can give her time and space while we figure it out.
If you ned to give your girlfriend "time and space" before you are married, maybe you should have a long hard think if this is the person for you.....

Finding a job won't be easy, feasible maybe but without language lower level jobs are not for you, you cannot communicate and plenty of others who have same skill set and languages are looking too.
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If you ned to give your girlfriend "time and space" before you are married, maybe you should have a long hard think if this is the person for you.....

Finding a job won't be easy, feasible maybe but without language lower level jobs are not for you, you cannot communicate and plenty of others who have same skill set and languages are looking too.
She has clinical depressions, things hit her harder than most. sitting infront of her all day and reminding her how i left everything to be with her but she cant even get her shit together doesnt help. We are not together for just a month, we are together for a very long time. She is the woman that i want to marry now, 2 years ago and in 10 years, it doesn't matter to me. Thanks though
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Re: Help/Tips for working in Zurich? (Just moved, No German)

Hi I have some volunteering experience in Zurich and did some research recently to be able to work with refugees. I can list you some organisations that are looking for volunteers on various projects:

HEKS (evangelical church organisation)
https://www.heks.ch/was-wir-tun?f[0]=country%3A7

AOZ: (organisation to support refugees by Zurich City)
https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/content...r/angebot.html

Solinetz (another organisation supporting refugees with a broad spectrum of projects)
http://solinetz-zh.ch/kontakt/


Swiss Red Cross
https://www.srk-zuerich.ch/srk/Ich-m...lige/index.php
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Re: Help/Tips for working in Zurich? (Just moved, No German)

Is your girlfriend not able to return to her home country where she potentially could have more support and lower living costs? Also, it'll be easier for you to get residency in her passport county.

I understand she is a permanent resident, so I am not sure if her nationality is relevant, but can unemployed residents apply for family reunification?! One of the requirements is to be employed. That or have a lot of money in the bank... Social services (and migration and city office, they all communicate with each other!!) will know she is not employed as the company has stopped making her contributions... But you entered on a D visa, right? And once you're married you'll go apply for a dependent permit? You can call Migrationsamt and ask if anything changes if she's unemployed.

Was it not your free decision to come here? I assume she didn't trick you or mislead you into starting a new life. Then she has nothing to feel guilty about No-one can make any promises about the future, we just have high expectations and hope for the best.

Finally, I would strongly advise against marrying someone who is not in a clear mental state, for their benefit and your own. Marriage makes nothing easier, it doesn't make it more difficult either, but if the problem is depression due to sexual harassment at work and subsequent unemployment, then I can't imagine becoming husband and wife is the solution.

Also, if everything works out, you'll find out that taxes suck as a double income couple

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