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Re: Help.. just got fired during the probation period

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Out of experience (and I'm a bit surprised that you don't know this, considering how long you've been here) - yes, you need to register with the RAV as soon as you've received notice
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If I'm not interested in RAV money for now (for a good reason), am I still obligied to do so?
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Old 02.07.2017, 16:29
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Out of experience (and I'm a bit surprised that you don't know this, considering how long you've been here) - yes, you need to register with the RAV as soon as you've received notice
No you don't. I get the impression OP asked whether it is a compulsory duty (like paying taxes, reporting change of address etc.). It is not. It's an insurance, if you don't want to claim insurance payments you don't have to register.
If you do want to claim unemployment money, you should register asap and start looking for jobs now (to provide evidence) - as everybody told you here.

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I you do want to claim unemployment money, you should register asap and start looking for jobs now (to provide evidence) - as everybody told you here.
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Old 02.07.2017, 16:59
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I see.
If I'm not interested in RAV money for now (for a good reason), am I still obligied to do so?
No you're not obliged but most probably you still want to. Not to start your claim but to lock in the lookback period ("Rahmenfrist").

You see, the amount of money you get paid if you make your claim depends on your recent income (last 12 months usually IIRC). If you envision to not have income from employment and also intend to not look for a job for some time, say for half a year, your income during that future 12-month lookback period will obviously be imparired as it may (special regulations may apply so not sure if "may" or "will") include those 6 months without income. Locking in the lookback period now but deferring payments avoids that income gap. Assuming this option is still available in the first place.

If memory serves, payments can be deferred up to 24 months. Now, this as well what else I wrote is based on the situation some 15 years ago, obviously it may have changed.

We're talking about serious money so you do want to get up-to-date and reliable info. Do talk to the RAV.

Plus, you obviously have no clue about the whole issue (no offense). It would be in your best interest to get at least a basic idea of the whole issue whatever your plans happen to be.
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Plus, you obviously have no clue about the whole issue (no offense). It would be in your best interest to get at least a basic idea of the whole issue whatever your plans happen to be.
Excellent answer.
I do plan to talk to them, but I'm trying to collect information

Another question - assume I have a B non-EU permit (for almost 10 yers with no previous RAV) that expires in 6 months.
What happens if I still have not found a job? I ask because once I was told that such extension continue even if you have no job (till your RAV rights are exhausted) .
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Permits ends during unemployment

Hello all.
I find this forum very useful..

- I have a B non-EU permit (for almost 10 yrs). The permit expires in 6 months
- Worked all this time with no breaks/ RAV etc .Got sacked last week...
- Plans to go this week to RAV

Question - what happens of these 6 months are passing and I still have no job? am I kicked out of the country? I heard ones that the permit is still extended till you exhaust your RAV rights ... but not sure..

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Old 03.07.2017, 09:57
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Excellent answer.
I do plan to talk to them, but I'm trying to collect information

Another question - assume I have a B non-EU permit (for almost 10 yers with no previous RAV) that expires in 6 months.
What happens if I still have not found a job? I ask because once I was told that such extension continue even if you have no job (till your RAV rights are exhausted) .
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Ah, in that case, RAV might be your safety-belt. Unless you are absolutely sure to have a new job within six months (and who can be these days?!) registering with RAV would be the better idea. If the B is connected to the job they might even check on you before the 6 months or up. Medea will probably come up with the answer to that.

Do people always come up with only 1/3 of the information to make sure the threads get long enough or do they enjoy wasting time with wrong answers?
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Ah, in that case, RAV might be your safety-belt. Unless you are absolutely sure to have a new job within six months (and who can be these days?!) registering with RAV would be the better idea. If the B is connected to the job they might even check on you before the 6 months or up. Medea will probably come up with the answer to that.

Do people always come up with only 1/3 of the information to make sure the threads get long enough or do they enjoy wasting time with wrong answers?
Thanks Curley.
I know... it just that I get more info so more questions come .. and more info is provided.
I have just recently changed a work with no problem (and then got sacked) and there is no employer name in my contract... though this permit doesn't allow me to be self employed and I do need an employer (but I can change as much as I want)
so I assume that there is no such link (but I'm not sure at the moment)
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1. Renew your permit ASAP.
2. You will be fine for at least 1 year as long as you keep searching for work
3. Find love and get married. Even if it is swiss style love/mutual benefits type love.
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1. Renew your permit ASAP.
2. You will be fine for at least 1 year as long as you keep searching for work
3. Find love and get married. Even if it is swiss style love/mutual benefits type love.
.."find love and get married". my (non swiss) wife is smiling

Question - since I was sacked, how can I renew my permit (there is no employer to sign the renewal)?

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Re: Permits ends during unemployment

RAV can be your sponsor for an year.
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RAV can be your sponsor for an year.
Correct.
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Re: Help.. just got fired during the probation period, B Permit ends during unemploym

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1. .... Find love and get married. Even if it is swiss style love
what is that exactly?
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what is that exactly?
Switzerland has one of the highest divorce rates in Europe.
I am assuming that it has to do with the fact that many people marry for money, benefits and career advancement... something very common in a capitalist society. Then they divorce for the same reasons ) Not me. I am married for mannnny years
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I am assuming that it has to do with the fact that many people marry for money, benefits and career advancement... something very common in a capitalist society. Then they divorce for the same reasons )


Funny, in the former GDR people married to get an apartment.


Are you implying that this doesn´t happen at all in communist societies? People there only marry for love?
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No you're not obliged but most probably you still want to. Not to start your claim but to lock in the lookback period ("Rahmenfrist").

If memory serves, payments can be deferred up to 24 months. Now, this as well what else I wrote is based on the situation some 15 years ago, obviously it may have changed.

We're talking about serious money so you do want to get up-to-date and reliable info. Do talk to the RAV.
Hi @Urs Max, can you elaborate more about the payments deferral? I cannot find any info about it and it is hard to get any info in English from the RAV. Following the basic info I have already registered myself but now I would like to take a break once my notice period runs out. I know that when you are registered with RAV you are entitled to financial aid but you are also obliged to "work" by looking for employment. I would like to do some longer travel, a month or two, but stay fully domiciled in Switzerland and return to full time job search afterwards.
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Excellent answer.
I do plan to talk to them, but I'm trying to collect information

Another question - assume I have a B non-EU permit (for almost 10 yers with no previous RAV) that expires in 6 months.
What happens if I still have not found a job? I ask because once I was told that such extension continue even if you have no job (till your RAV rights are exhausted) .
Thanks
The Ct. Zug website notes that, although there is no legal requirement to do so, non-EU holders of B permits will normally in practice have their B permits extended for the period for which unemployment compensation can be drawn:

"Ein gesetzlicher Anspruch auf Verlängerung einer Jahresbewilligung besteht nur in bestimmten Fällen. In der Praxis wird im Normalfall die Jahresaufenthaltsbewilligung verlängert, solange jemand Taggelder der Arbeitslosenversicherung beziehen kann. Ein eigentlicher Anspruch auf Verlängerung der Bewilligung besteht in diesen Fällen indessen nicht."

https://www.zg.ch/behoerden/sicherhe...ltsbewilligung
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Excellent answer.
I do plan to talk to them, but I'm trying to collect information

Another question - assume I have a B non-EU permit (for almost 10 yers with no previous RAV) that expires in 6 months.
What happens if I still have not found a job? I ask because once I was told that such extension continue even if you have no job (till your RAV rights are exhausted) .
Thanks
As far as I know after 10 years a non-EU is eligible for a C permit and starting from 2018 even for Swiss citizenship.

Also, I do not understand why you don't want to register with RAV as it is completely within your rights. If the reason is because you think it counts as Sozialhilfe (welfare) and will interfere with your future status in Switzerland, you are wrong. It is unemployment insurance and has nothing to do with your means to support yourself here. You have paid premiums out of your salary for 10 years and you are entitled to receive the insurance money until you find a new job.

Other users can correct me if I am wrong in either of the points above.
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you have to be continuously registered for 5 years to apply for c permit
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