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How to land a job in CH

I'm looking for engineering job and after sending few hundreds of applications, I didn't get lucky yet. Either I received that 7-day delay cancel or the "you can't speak German" reply. I decided to get my German language certificate and update my CV accordingly, in hope that things would change. Things didn't change, like at all. They just stopped sending me this language thing reply, which apparently was just an excuse to reject me. Meanwhile I have received 3 calls, but interestingly they were all from foreign managers. I never got mail stating any kind of interest from swiss. It was always either french, italian, german, austrian hiring manager which I find bizarre. Then I changed nationality in my CV and removed my name from google search. Suddenly I started to receive calls from swiss managers. I made it to first interview, but unfortunately things went down the hill at the point when they blow up my cover. Some got irritated and started to act cocky when they found out what is my nationality. I pissed them off even more as I quoted this thingy from their official websites:
"<Companyname> provides equal employment opportunities (EEO) to all employees and applicants for employment without regard to race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, pregnancy, parental status, national origin, ethnic background, age, disability, political opinion, social status, veteran status, union membership or genetics." ...which is a load of crap.

So, how do I make it?

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Re: How to land a job in CH

Don't lie on your CV. Cast your net wider than CH, particularly if you don't speak one of the languages. Get yourself known to industry headhunters and recruiters and try and get "in" that way.


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Re: How to land a job in CH

a) you're assuming everyone here is Swiss which is ridiculous and b) can't think any company would be quite that explicit.

You make it by getting that chip off your shoulder, tailoring your CV to the Swiss market and being patient. You're competing with probably hundreds of other candidates and the Swiss government emphasises hiring people who already live and work here so they have an advantage too.

And when you say EU do you mean EU as in the 28 member states or do you mean a European country that isn't part of the EU. Because it makes a difference when employers try to hire you.
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a) you're assuming everyone here is Swiss which is ridiculous and b) can't think any company would be quite that explicit.

You make it by getting that chip off your shoulder, tailoring your CV to the Swiss market and being patient. You're competing with probably hundreds of other candidates and the Swiss government emphasises hiring people who already live and work here so they have an advantage too.

And when you say EU do you mean EU as in the 28 member states or do you mean a European country that isn't part of the EU. Because it makes a difference when employers try to hire you.
Why would I not lie about nationality, if clearly it is decreasing my chances to succeed?

european union. In fact I already worked in CH. They outsourced me and after I finished my work they escorted me with "thanks, bye".
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Old 14.07.2017, 23:09
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Why would I not lie about nationality, if clearly it is decreasing my chances to succeed?

european union. In fact I already worked in CH. They outsourced me and after I finished my work they escorted me with "thanks, bye".
It also decreases your chances of getting a job when they found out you lied on your CV. What else could you have lied about, people will think

What EU country??
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Why would I not lie about nationality, if clearly it is decreasing my chances to succeed?

european union. In fact I already worked in CH. They outsourced me and after I finished my work they escorted me with "thanks, bye".

You'll be found out as soon as you hand your passport over to HR. Madness.
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Why would I not lie about nationality, if clearly it is decreasing my chances to succeed?

european union. In fact I already worked in CH. They outsourced me and after I finished my work they escorted me with "thanks, bye".
Because as the others have said any employer will now think "what else have you lied about?" Your skills? Your experience? Not someone they'd want to hire so do yourself a favour and stop doing it.

And if you were non-EU it's even more stupid, since it costs time and money for an employer to be able to hire a non-EU national here. If they offered you a job and then found out you'd lied you'd be out the door quicker than you could say "bye".
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Re: How to land a job in CH

Maybe it would be better if OP just removed nationality from resume, not change it...
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Re: How to land a job in CH

Maybe, but they're likely to be asked what it is somewhere down the job application process so omitting it may or may not help in the long run. Thing is the name may give it away since they also removed that from Google search.
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I pissed them off even more as I quoted this thingy from their official websites:
"<Companyname> provides equal employment opportunities (EEO) to all employees and applicants for employment without regard to race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, pregnancy, parental status, national origin, ethnic background, age, disability, political opinion, social status, veteran status, union membership or genetics." ...which is a load of crap.

So, how do I make it?

Reeeeally? That pissed them off? I'm shocked

Dude, you are not ENTITLED to a job. They can hire whoever the heck they please. If you make it to an interview, but not beyond, then you're doing something wrong. It has zero to do with your nationality. Granted, if you quote the above, I would have zero interest in meeting you again either. Also, how clever do you think lying is? Correct, it is not clever at all. You don't seriously think everything you lie about can't be found out later, do you?

Also: why Switzerland? There's other countries out there. Either something's wrong on your CV or you don't come across well in interviews or they simply have better suited candidates. If plan A doesn't work, you look at a plan B - like we all do. You either keep trying as you did, or you change your approach.
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Re: How to land a job in CH

Yes, of course, eventually they will know your nationality, but the goal here is to see if they are really interested in your skills. And removing nationality from my resume I do not call it as lying


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Maybe, but they're likely to be asked what it is somewhere down the job application process so omitting it may or may not help in the long run. Thing is the name may give it away since they also removed that from Google search.
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<Companyname> provides equal employment opportunities (EEO) to all employees and applicants for employment without regard to race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, pregnancy, parental status, national origin, ethnic background, age, disability, political opinion, social status, veteran status, union membership or genetics." ...which is a load of crap.

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No it isn't (a load of crap). The problem with you seems to be the hassle - maybe the impossibility - to get a permit for you. So yes, they will just put your application away as long as they have applicants who are Swiss, already have a permit or are easy to get a permit for.
Employing a foreigner is a lot of paper-work. Get the permit (every darn year), tax deduction at source etc. etc. They won't bother if they don't have to.

Plus: Hide your nationality to get a job? Where is your self esteem?!
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"[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]<Companyname> provides equal employment opportunities (EEO) to all employees and applicants for employment without regard to race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, pregnancy, parental status, national origin, ethnic background, age, disability, political opinion, social status, veteran status, union membership or genetics." ...which is a load of crap.
National origin is not nationality.

My national origin is US, my nationality is Swiss.

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Re: How to land a job in CH

I suppose you just omitted your nationality, not lied about it?

I am sorry to say, but omitting information can be read as being untruthful. Discrimination will probably always happen, in various degrees and for various reasons, but if a company would filter you due to your nationality on your application, it probably won't change their mind just because you withheld it till the interview. Also, remember that certain nationalities do require special permits.

In any case, it seems they were not the only ones acting cocky, if you quoted their site - it kinda shows you were already on the defence from the start.

I had better responses when I used my Swiss-sounding married name than my Portuguese family name. But I did not omit my nationality, and when it came up during the interview (because it was obvious I wasn't Swiss), I took it in a light way and joked about it. Then I charmed them with my skill set. I didn't go pointing fingers at the internet site while saying "you officially promised you wouldn't discriminate".
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I suppose you just omitted your nationality, not lied about it?

I am sorry to say, but omitting information can be read as being untruthful. Discrimination will probably always happen, in various degrees and for various reasons, but if a company would filter you due to your nationality on your application, it probably won't change their mind just because you withheld it till the interview. Also, remember that certain nationalities do require special permits.

In any case, it seems they were not the only ones acting cocky, if you quoted their site - it kinda shows you were already on the defence from the start.

I had better responses when I used my Swiss-sounding married name than my Portuguese family name. But I did not omit my nationality, and when it came up during the interview (because it was obvious I wasn't Swiss), I took it in a light way and joked about it. Then I charmed them with my skill set. I didn't go pointing fingers at the internet site while saying "you officially promised you wouldn't discriminate".
Nope, definitely lied about it.

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Then I changed nationality in my CV and removed my name from google search.
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Nope, definitely lied about it.
Oh man, that is a big no-no. If I had found out an applicant had lied about their nationality in their CV, I'm sorry to say, I would have showed them the door immediately. It's a very bad first impression, seriously...
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Oh man, that is a big no-no. If I had found out an applicant had lied about their nationality in their CV, I'm sorry to say, I would have showed them the door immediately. It's a very bad first impression, seriously...
On the other hand, why do you need to check the nationality at recruitment level?
The requirement is clear, in Switzerland, it's about having a "valid work permit". Not about nationality. And yes, without work permit, then and only then, it matters.
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May i ask what your nationality is OP?
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On the other hand, why do you need to check the nationality at recruitment level?
The requirement is clear, in Switzerland, it's about having a "valid work permit". Not about nationality. And yes, without work permit, then and only then, it matters.
Well i (tho not a recruiter) would like to be sure people would be allowed to work at my company and would like to see the permit at first talk. This already gives away the lie in where OP actually says "Yeah i thought you'd be racist, so i choose to not just hide the truth but tell a lie"

And sure some companies/recruiters are more nationalistic then others and there must be some people who will not take you based on nationality, but finding hundreds in a row that all don't want you based on nationality means there's other things going wrong. OP better has some Swiss helping him change his CV and motivation letter, or even walk into some companies show them his letters and ask them how he can improve them.
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On the other hand, why do you need to check the nationality at recruitment level?
A long time ago, i had a friend who had a civil engineering company.

He hired a lot of Croatian workers who were fine

He then hired some Sebian guys, which resulted in

Big mess, gratuitous violence, damages to equipment, total lack of communication, so this is why nationality is important sometimes.

Croats and Serbs still don't mix very well, they curdle usually....
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