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Old 28.07.2017, 13:54
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Re: RAV - regular appointment - what to expect?

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Can't you take the ancilliary stuff in on a laptop / tablet?

If they want to see it, you can show them, and if they want to keep it, you can email the relevant bits to them.
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Meeting was nine minutes long, didn't need any documents, was just: "How's things? No, not till you're actually unemployed. Here's a job. Oops, no, that's from 2006. See you in September. Bye!"

So there we are.

Thanks all for the advice and reassurance.
Simply put: You need to establish in the first meetings that you are not one of "those cases" that need some special attention from the counsellor. If he or she think you are really looking for a job and wokring on it, all is fine. If they have the suspicion you are milking the system can they make your life miserable... and they have quite some freedom in that regard.

It's been years that I had the honour, but what really seemed to have made the difference was that on my initial meeting I was suited up and came straight from an interview which impressed the counsellor enough to never get any stupid questions or assignments.
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Old 28.07.2017, 14:40
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Simply put: You need to establish in the first meetings that you are not one of "those cases" that need some special attention from the counsellor. If he or she think you are really looking for a job and wokring on it, all is fine. If they have the suspicion you are milking the system can they make your life miserable... and they have quite some freedom in that regard.

It's been years that I had the honour, but what really seemed to have made the difference was that on my initial meeting I was suited up and came straight from an interview which impressed the counsellor enough to never get any stupid questions or assignments.
Despite our differences on the forum, I consider you one of the most knowledgeable forum members when it comes to obtaining work in Switzerland. Your advice here is immensely important and the key words are "make an effort". RAV advisers have met countless people who feel they're entitled to various benefits, because they've worked and paid into the system.
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Old 12.10.2017, 13:39
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Re: RAV - regular appointment - what to expect?

So, I'm a few meetings into my wonderful RAV experience and can report the following:

1) Everyone so far has been lovely. I have no complaints about anyone being rude or anything like that. However...

2) It's true that the RAV advisor isn't actually there to help you get a job. He is merely the gatekeeper for the RAV kasse.

3) The computer system they use - at least round here - is hilariously outdated. Well, I say 'hilariously': it was funny the first three times he brought up a job in Zurich advertised in 2006. I'm not finding it very funny any more.

4) Despite being the gatekeeper for the RAV kasse, your advisor wants nothing to do with them whatsoever, even when you merely - "just so you're informed, like" - happen to mention that they haven't coughed up any cash yet because reasons. Hands and eyebrows will be raised in an amusingly Charlie Chaplin fashion.

5) If you happen to work in a profession in which jobs are advertised seasonally, do not expect any leeway on the 'x number of applications per month' rule. None whatsoever. It doesn't matter if you sent off 1000 applications last month, you still have to submit proof of the X number of applications required for this month.

6) You will constantly be asked for forms you haven't been given. Then asked for some more. Then asked for some supporting documents to go with them. Then told you don't need them. Then asked again for the self same supporting documents, just in a different format. Meanwhile, they will not give you any money.

7) You want to go on a course? LOL

8) Everyone really has been lovely - I've no quarrel with any of the many human beings I've had to deal with over the last couple of months - but the system sucks. It really does seem designed to get you off their books while not actually helping you to get off their books in any practical kind of way whatsoever.

I'm a bit disappointed, to be honest. It looks like I'm pretty much on my own, after all.

But the people have been lovely.
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Old 12.10.2017, 15:11
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Re: RAV - regular appointment - what to expect?

but how are the people?
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Old 12.10.2017, 15:37
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4) Despite being the gatekeeper for the RAV kasse, your advisor wants nothing to do with them whatsoever, even when you merely - "just so you're informed, like" - happen to mention that they haven't coughed up any cash yet because reasons. Hands and eyebrows will be raised in an amusingly Charlie Chaplin fashion.
But they are not supposed to have any details about the money side of it, except for confirming that they are satisfied that you are genuinely searching for work...

Why did you select the RAV Kasse in the first place? Were there no options. I'm with the UNIA Kasse, selected after a very strong hint from the RAV advisor :-) I find they are very good and of course tend to interpret everything in favour of the unemployed... Cash is usually on my account about 72 hours after I drop the form in to them.

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5) If you happen to work in a profession in which jobs are advertised seasonally, do not expect any leeway on the 'x number of applications per month' rule. None whatsoever. It doesn't matter if you sent off 1000 applications last month, you still have to submit proof of the X number of applications required for this month.
I agreed on 8 applications per month and it has been put down a few times now due it being holiday season - autumn, summer, Christmas etc... sometimes at my request or their suggestion. Never had a issue with it

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6) You will constantly be asked for forms you haven't been given. Then asked for some more. Then asked for some supporting documents to go with them. Then told you don't need them. Then asked again for the self same supporting documents, just in a different format. Meanwhile, they will not give you any money.
For the RAV I needed:
- AHV card
- Employment contract
- Termination letter
- Reference letter

For the UNIA Kasse I needed:
- AHV card
- Standard form from employer confirming salary
- Standard confirmation that kids are still in college/apprenticeship

That was it. What are they looking for from you?
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Old 12.10.2017, 16:04
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But they are not supposed to have any details about the money side of it, except for confirming that they are satisfied that you are genuinely searching for work...

Why did you select the RAV Kasse in the first place? Were there no options. I'm with the UNIA Kasse, selected after a very strong hint from the RAV advisor :-) I find they are very good and of course tend to interpret everything in favour of the unemployed... Cash is usually on my account about 72 hours after I drop the form in to them.



I agreed on 8 applications per month and it has been put down a few times now due it being holiday season - autumn, summer, Christmas etc... sometimes at my request or their suggestion. Never had a issue with it



For the RAV I needed:
- AHV card
- Employment contract
- Termination letter
- Reference letter

For the UNIA Kasse I needed:
- AHV card
- Standard form from employer confirming salary
- Standard confirmation that kids are still in college/apprenticeship

That was it. What are they looking for from you?
Amazed the Kasse did not want to see 12 months of salary slips, normally they do but we know your an exception to some rules
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Old 12.10.2017, 23:05
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Sounds like I'm just unlucky, then.

Good job I like potatoes.
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Old 12.10.2017, 23:40
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I was at a RAV as a translator today. I'm still trying to figure out what the hell that was.
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Old 13.10.2017, 00:58
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Amazed the Kasse did not want to see 12 months of salary slips, normally they do but we know your an exception to some rules
I can't comment on other kantons, but on both occasions I've signed up here I was given a standard form to have completed by my employer confirming the annual salary. This time it was a Zurich employer and they did sent me back copies of my previous 12 months salary slips along with the completed form, but the UNIA Kasse said they did not need them...
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Old 13.10.2017, 09:51
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Why did you select the RAV Kasse in the first place? Were there no options. I'm with the UNIA Kasse, selected after a very strong hint from the RAV advisor :-) I find they are very good and of course tend to interpret everything in favour of the unemployed... Cash is usually on my account about 72 hours after I drop the form in to them.
I forget now which one I picked the first time around with the RAV, but they appeared to apply some random delay each month. I had to forget the idea of pay reaching me by a fixed day of the month. Christmas was the only exception. They did make an effort to pay you before then.

The second time around, I too got a strong UNIA hint from the RAV, though this was the lady on the front desk rather than my advisor. UNIA insisted on a transcript of my degree, which I then had to send off to a department in Bern to get classified as being equivalent to a Swiss degree. No payment until I got that sorted, of course.[1]

Looking back, it's possible that the degree recognition process was a new thing back in 2007. Did anyone else here have to do this?

[1] Paying my old university for the transcript was a pain in the neck. Stuck somewhere in the last century, they couldn't accept payment by bank transfer and wanted a UK cheque. I got my UK based brother to do the honours there.
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Amazed the Kasse did not want to see 12 months of salary slips, normally they do but we know your an exception to some rules
They've never asked for that in Neuchâtel, just the form filled out by the employer.
This is limited to the people I've acted as translator for so is only a sample size of four.
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They've never asked for that in Neuchâtel, just the form filled out by the employer.
This is limited to the people I've acted as translator for so is only a sample size of four.
Must be a Zurich thing. I had to hand in my 12 months' salary slips, apparently so they could calculate the amount the Kasse would pay me each month (80% of my salary). Maybe that information comes from the employer in Neuchatel.
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Old 13.10.2017, 10:52
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The RAV Berater lady has always been nice to me. She even used to ask me what courses I wanted. So I told her, let’s start from DE series B1, B2 then personal coaching would be cool. At some point when I was about to sign my job contract, I felt like I would be missing rhe whole RAV thingy. The only time I might have crossed the line was when I made a joke: “If it wasn’t for guys like us the whole institution wouldn’t have kept itself busy”. But they I understood it. The classes were so nice that we would even go for a beer with our headmaster on Friday afternoon. Those were the days ...
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Credit where it's due: within minutes of the kasse announcing that my paperwork was (finally) in order, not only have I been given the go-ahead to do a German course, but the lovely lady at the RAV has contacted Migros Klubschule directly to book me on it!

I wasn't expecting that!

Maybe I'm finally over the 'ump.
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They've never asked for that in Neuchâtel, just the form filled out by the employer.
This is limited to the people I've acted as translator for so is only a sample size of four.
However did you translate at a RAV meeting or with the Casse?
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However did you translate at a RAV meeting or with the Casse?
Both. The caisse was UNIA every time so can't say if it would have been different at another caisse.
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A quick question regarding courses - the nice lady at the front desk couldn't help me so I've got to call my advisor in the morning, and I'm impatient, so...

It looks like I'll be attending an intensive German course for the next month. Obviously, such courses have an attendance requirement, which I intend to fulfil, especially as someone else is paying for it!

However, it's also possible that I might be offered work during the course of the course. Maybe one day, maybe a couple of days, maybe a week - who knows?

What are people's experiences when it comes to the RAV's requirements regarding prioritisation? Did they expect you to attend every single session of the course or to take the work?
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A quick question regarding courses - the nice lady at the front desk couldn't help me so I've got to call my advisor in the morning, and I'm impatient, so...

It looks like I'll be attending an intensive German course for the next month. Obviously, such courses have an attendance requirement, which I intend to fulfil, especially as someone else is paying for it!

However, it's also possible that I might be offered work during the course of the course. Maybe one day, maybe a couple of days, maybe a week - who knows?

What are people's experiences when it comes to the RAV's requirements regarding prioritisation? Did they expect you to attend every single session of the course or to take the work?
My experience was that any potential for work takes priority over the course. If I had an interview it would take priority over the language course and when I got a job I couldn't continue the course even for the few days until my job started.
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However, it's also possible that I might be offered work during the course of the course. Maybe one day, maybe a couple of days, maybe a week - who knows?

What are people's experiences when it comes to the RAV's requirements regarding prioritisation? Did they expect you to attend every single session of the course or to take the work?
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My experience was that any potential for work takes priority over the course.
Yes, they're quite clear about this, as long as you let then know within a reasonable time. And by 'them' I mean the school, not RAV, although clearly if it's work you will do so anyway. I missed a couple of days for other reasons, but was sure to let them know (e.g. had a flat tyre on way to class, needed recovery and walt for new tyre fitting). And once I missed a day because of a misunderstanding of kanton-specific holidays. The fact was that the language school sends back a report of your progress, but don't (at least the one I was at) specifically mention attendence unless, presumably, they see it as a problem.
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Can confirm: work - even just a day's work - trumps course.

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