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Re: job offer of 800 chf a day? tax is to high?

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No buddy!

my concern which was also in the first few messages I posted, are why do I pay both employee and employer contributions?
It is so irritating for me, to see your fairly straight forward question nit being answer3d by the irritating tools on this forum (which was once a good place fir the likes if us).

Long story short, a a contractor, you are seen as both employer and employee, and thats why they double dip you.
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It is so irritating for me, to see your fairly straight forward question nit being answer3d by the irritating tools on this forum (which was once a good place fir the likes if us).

Long story short, a a contractor, you are seen as both employer and employee, and thats why they double dip you.
Lol this has to be sarcasm right?
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Old 29.07.2017, 19:23
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It is so irritating for me, to see your fairly straight forward question nit being answer3d by the irritating tools on this forum (which was once a good place fir the likes if us).

Long story short, a a contractor, you are seen as both employer and employee, and thats why they double dip you.
Don't post when drunk.
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Old 29.07.2017, 19:57
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Re: job offer of 800 chf a day? tax is to high?

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Go back to the payroll company and ask them to explain it all in minute detail, complete with exemplar figures. They are the ones whose system you will have to abide by if you take the job, yes?

I doubt you'll get anyone willing to list their pay slip on an open forum.

I was just about to say your UK guesstimate on that salary sounds off, but FMF beat me to it.
JFI: It's not far off the mark when you're taxed as a Swiss national either, depending on your circumstances.

And, the OP described many of the disadvantages of being contract / freelancer. Forgot however to mention e.g. that you won't get paid on illness, during vacation etc. No idea how it affects your pension contributions.

Would be highly surprised if a contract nowadays goes longer than 6 months (there's a limit within UBS). So, but stand to be corrected, would highly recommend that you inform yourself of the exact employment circumstances with your employer.

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Re: job offer of 800 chf a day? tax is to high?

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No! I already replied to this in detail

I am a contractor going through a UK agency and being paid by a Swiss payroll company.

In Switzerland you can't contract using a UK company anymore.

Also why you can see both bits would be paid and according to what source?
Then your source of information is your UK agency.
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It is so irritating for me, to see your fairly straight forward question nit being answer3d by the irritating tools on this forum (which was once a good place fir the likes if us).
The "iritating tools" did answer his question then he asked another one & they have not made any comments about having your cake, covering it in chocolate & coconut & licking it off in public whilst driving your porsche & waving your bum bag filled with cash. You work in Switzerland & live in another country. Be glad you're being paid Swiss salaries (that most people will never see in their lifetimes), with or without deductions for other peoples kids & appreciate the experience. Then when you've got a few contacts, you can move here & be a bloody expat like the rest of us or join the dole queue (as in they have a queue but it's a short one, after which you are considered a charity case), kind of like going to Ikea for breakfast when they have run out of donuts.
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Then your source of information is your UK agency.
It would however interest me what his U.K. agency advised the OP?
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It is so irritating for me, to see your fairly straight forward question nit being answer3d by the irritating tools on this forum (which was once a good place fir the likes if us).

Long story short, a a contractor, you are seen as both employer and employee, and thats why they double dip you.
It was answered, oh charming one. More than once. A good day to you. what's that phrase? May the bird of paradise fly up your nose.
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Don't post when drunk.
Why not ? ;-)
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It would however interest me what his U.K. agency advised the OP?
They probably used flash cards: Swiss flag, piles of cash, smiley face.

Then they probably told hIm to communicate with the payroll Co in CH because the UK agency has little clue about a foreign system. They won't care as long as they are paid a finders fee.
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Why not ? ;-)
Let me clarify then (Just had a Hürlimann myself)

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Let me clarify then (Just had a Hürlimann myself)

Don't post NONSENSE while drunk
Do you believe in sharing , I would like some "HUERLIMANN"

All I have is this https://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=...act=mrc&uact=8
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Long story short, a a contractor, you are seen as both employer and employee, and thats why they double dip you.
As I, and several others, pointed out earlier in this thread.

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Let me clarify then (Just had a Hürlimann myself)

Don't post NONSENSE while drunk
Actually it was not nonsense .... he just repeated what most already clearly stated before. Okay, it would have helped had he copy/pasted one of the many instead of trying to type it himself
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Why not ? ;-)
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Actually it was not nonsense .... he just repeated what most already clearly stated before. Okay, it would have helped had he copy/pasted one of the many instead of trying to type it himself
Oh, i thought it was the (spelling)mistakes...


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Oh, i thought it was the (spelling)mistakes...


I bet he's spelling is better then yours , in his Bulgarian Language :-)
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Re: job offer of 800 chf a day? tax is too high?

That's just the beginning.

Wait till he starts looking for an apartment..!!
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Don't post when drunk.
It'll be very quiet on the forum if that rule is introduced.
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Re: job offer of 800 chf a day? tax is to high?

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I do not understand.
my employer is a small pharmacy company in Switzerland.
Wrong, you are employed by your payroll company in Switzerland. The pharmacy company is the client you work for as an external employee/consultant. The payroll company always charges these amounts, it is a common setup in Switzerland since individual enterprises are not accepted (for a long time) by the "clients" and state social insurance (AHV).

If you want to bypass the payroll company and work directly for the "client" you have to establish your GmbH (limited liability company) in Switzerland but usually the clients are not interested in working directly with individual consultants (too much administration, legal issues).
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Wrong, you are employed by your payroll company in Switzerland. The pharmacy company is the client you work for as an external employee/consultant. The payroll company always charges these amounts, it is a common setup in Switzerland since individual enterprises are not accepted (for a long time) by the "clients" and state social insurance (AHV).

If you want to bypass the payroll company and work directly for the "client" you have to establish your GmbH (limited liability company) in Switzerland but usually the clients are not interested in working directly with individual consultants (too much administration, legal issues).
I always though that the payroll company only organizes the payroll. We have outsourced payroll to such a company and it is only a service provider.

You do not need a GmbH or AG, there are legal possibilities to work as a sole trader/Einzelfirma and that is well accepted in Switzerland.
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