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That's not my understanding of it. Will dig out some info on this at a later stage...
I can guarantee you 100% that the information I gave is 100% correct even through many RAV advisors will say different.

If the pay earned is 70/80% there is no claim to process as the earnings are equal to or exceed insured salary. Insurance only pays out if earnings less than insured salary.
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If a person is getting call for an interview in one out of four cases, we can assume they must have a reasonable got profile. So yes your assumption is offensive!
The skills may well be personal skills........
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So yes i believe that a developer who fails on 40 attempts might just be not so good as he might think he is, or he is applying to the wrong jobs.

If i look at my wife and our developing friends, they always landed a job on first attempt
Well if one thing is for sure, you also appear to have the emotional intelligence and borderline-Aspergers of the average elite developer, too.
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If a person is getting call for an interview in one out of four cases, we can assume they must have a reasonable got profile. So yes your assumption is offensive!
If an experienced developer gets an interview in 10% of the applications i'd say somewhere something is going wrong.

Surely we can all tell him that his profile is good enough, that his experience is good enough etc...

Reality is however that what he offers currently is not good enough for the jobs he is applying to/payments he wants to have.
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Well if one thing is for sure, you also appear to have the emotional intelligence and borderline-Aspergers of the average elite developer, too.
When do you plan on starting to grow up and become an adult just to realise the world is not the happy place you dream it to be?
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When do you plan on starting to grow up and become an adult just to realise the world is not the happy place you dream it to be?
Eh? My post was nothing to do with how happy the world is, I am a realist through and through. It was to do with the delivery of and narcissism within your posts, and thanks for confirming my suspicions with that last reply.
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If an experienced developer gets an interview in 10% of the applications i'd say somewhere something is going wrong.

Surely we can all tell him that his profile is good enough, that his experience is good enough etc...

Reality is however that what he offers currently is not good enough for the jobs he is applying to/payments he wants to have.
10 interviews out of 40 CV's sent doesn't commute to 10% in my books..

Depending on age, getting 25% interview quota is pretty good. It HEAVILY matters what kind of position you're looking for, how flexible you're sending out your CV (only perfect matching jobs = higher % of interviews per CV sent, but obviously less interviews in total)

Some people get >50% interviews, others get <10%, doesn't mean either of them is either super good or super bad in what they're doing.
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10 interviews out of 40 CV's sent doesn't commute to 10% in my books..

Depending on age, getting 25% interview quota is pretty good. It HEAVILY matters what kind of position you're looking for, how flexible you're sending out your CV (only perfect matching jobs = higher % of interviews per CV sent, but obviously less interviews in total)

Some people get >50% interviews, others get <10%, doesn't mean either of them is either super good or super bad in what they're doing.
40 Applications which lead to 4 interviews.

No more, no less, and it's all in the topic.
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40 Applications which lead to 4 interviews.

No more, no less, and it's all in the topic.
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I have made like 40 applications so far, got ~10 interviews always being rejected in weird ways, like you don't have this or that experience... very depressing.

And yes, I consider "Skype/phone interviews" as interviews as well (as described in #8)

Maybe that caused your confusion.

Anyway, 10% isn't that bad for some specialized areas, when your skills won't be matching always perfectly (but RAV forces you to send out 10+ CVs no matter what)
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Eh? My post was nothing to do with how happy the world is, I am a realist through and through. It was to do with the delivery of and narcissism within your posts, and thanks for confirming my suspicions with that last reply.
If you believe that an experienced developer in this country who cannot land a job within 40 applications is doing nothing wrong and is lacking nothing. I have to place serious doubts of you being a realist.

Clearly something is going wrong for him, it could be lack of ability of proof of skills, it could be applying to jobs that ask recent experience, it could be so many things, but denying something goes wrong is not going to help TS.

But what is your explanation for an experienced developer having 40 unsuccessful attempts in a row to land a job?

Also you saying that i am a borderline-Asperger and suggest i have a lack of emotional intelligence in a discussion which has not yet had a foul word in it shows to me you might have some serious issues with yourself, or your interpretation of society is off, also stating the average elite coder is off with his emotional intelligence and a borderline asperger is something i can only interpret as envy.
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And yes, I consider "Skype/phone interviews" as interviews as well (as described in #8)

Maybe that caused your confusion.

Anyway, 10% isn't that bad for some specialized areas, when your skills won't be matching always perfectly (but RAV forces you to send out 10+ CVs no matter what)
I do take an interview as interview wether it be skype, phone or whatever, i do not take an introductive call where it gets decided if a meeting could be useful as an actual job interview.
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Old 16.08.2017, 18:13
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I agree, but the advice I was looking for was quite different. I have ~20 years of experience. In the past I have found myself in a situation where I have accepted 'some offer', wasn't particularly happy so I applied for a next promising offer where the red flag was that I want to leave the job so soon.

Nonetheless, I feel very awkward now being unemployed but all the software jobs around are for the easy modern things - web, cloud, java...

I have advertised myself online and within a week I got very matching job offer from Sweden but if you look at it as a whole - it is much colder there!, salary is high standard locally but just half of what I got here so should I peruse the career or balance my life it's not really easy. I decided to balance it but here comes the tricky question, should I accept what comes or be persistent at least for some time just because Switzerland is such a good country and takes care of me now so I have much more time to look for real continuation of my career here. Of course the unemployment benefits does not cover for me 70% of insured salary, it is capped down but still quite good for a living.
You have the same amount of time to look for real continuation of your career if you take this job offer! And what do you mean by "real"? Money? You don't know yet what skills you might accumulate in a small firm.

While our unemployment insurance is a great thing, no doubt, I am puzzled how people start planning their lives around it. "Should I take a 90K job, I may not like it for ever and then unemployment money will be lower". Thousands of families would be happy to have a 90K income (and live happily even though they don't) - and you're even single, right?

Next first world problem will be: "Should I burn my house down, because people don't want to pay the price the insurance will pay".
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You have the same amount of time to look for real continuation of your career if you take this job offer! And what do you mean by "real"? Money? You don't know yet what skills you might accumulate in a small firm.

While our unemployment insurance is a great thing, no doubt, I am puzzled how people start planning their lives around it. "Should I take a 90K job, I may not like it for ever and then unemployment money will be lower". Thousands of families would be happy to have a 90K income (and live happily even though they don't) - and you're even single, right?

Next first world problem will be: "Should I burn my house down, because people don't want to pay the price the insurance will pay".
He got a job offer from Sweden and doesnt want to move. Before you continue to judge him: Do you have any idea about work and life in Sweden? I had an offer there myself and turned it down... and there are some good reasons to do so. I was working for a Swedish company here and they offered me to move to the HQ or get fired. My salary was far below standard in Zurich and I made a whole lot more than my boss over there. And before anyone starts with "but Switzerland is so expensive"... trust me: So is Sweden. It's a great place if you want a family and raise some kids as the insane taxes you pay will translate at least into some benefits for you... but if you are young, single or maybe a couple with double income: not the country for you...

I back then chose for my employer to fire me instead and find another gig in CH and I cannot judge anyone for doing the same.
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He got a job offer from Sweden and doesnt want to move. Before you continue to judge him: Do you have any idea about work and life in Sweden? I had an offer there myself and turned it down... and there are some good reasons to do so. I was working for a Swedish company here and they offered me to move to the HQ or get fired. My salary was far below standard in Zurich and I made a whole lot more than my boss over there. And before anyone starts with "but Switzerland is so expensive"... trust me: So is Sweden. It's a great place if you want a family and raise some kids as the insane taxes you pay will translate at least into some benefits for you... but if you are young, single or maybe a couple with double income: not the country for you...

I back then chose for my employer to fire me instead and find another gig in CH and I cannot judge anyone for doing the same.
Umm read the very first post again, he said he got a job offer in Switzerland for 90k for a small family business, and doesn't know whether he wants to take it or not, which Curley was obviously referring to with the "90k" bit.
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I have spawned interesting discussion, no doubt

The vacation period, oh good observation. It may happen that the silent sources will start calling back once the people in charge are back from vacation.

All in all, no I am not planning to live on RAV, that's the thing which cost me depression. That is why I turned out to a nearby small business and made a reasonable enquiry which ended in an offer. Now when I relaxed I can see the conflict, I am sure that if I accept the job and soon someone will respond to me with a better offer turning down the small business will burn the bridges as the first weeks are just investment on the employee. Not to take it now is also tricky, it may close the door, it depends. In the end, yes, modern life is so much about the money but do we have a choice?

I think I will talk to them proposing to defer it. It is best for both sides. Nothing will show up in autumn, I will turn back to them seriously decided.
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Old 16.08.2017, 20:52
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I can guarantee you 100% that the information I gave is 100% correct even through many RAV advisors will say different.
Why does this post make me think of big orange hair? Or maybe, the hugest...
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Umm read the very first post again, he said he got a job offer in Switzerland for 90k for a small family business, and doesn't know whether he wants to take it or not, which Curley was obviously referring to with the "90k" bit.
That's correct. I mentioned that I got also superb matching job offer from Sweden but that one I turned down without big hesitation. With the current local one paying the 90k, the intended statement was should I jump for it or maybe I'm going crazy/desperate whilst I should evaluate my situation with a cold mind and accept the help this country provides for me in exchange for my past contribution
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I'm not that afraid if the RAV take out a month or two of my salary but honestly how would they know? It's rather the problem of turning down an opportunity, the people may hire someone else or even just decide to wait more and find someone else if that will touch them. To "defer a job" nicely rather than turning it down one must also have skills and luck
They will know because you have to give RAV info on what jobs you've applied for and what the result of the applications were. Unless you feel like lying and saying you weren't offered the job ...

RAV's job is to get you back to work as quickly as possible whether you think the job is right for you, will further your career or not, etc, etc. You've had 2 job offers that you've turned down it seems. RAV will not be happy if/when they find out that you have.
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I'd just take the job and keep searching. If you get a better job during the probation period, it will likely be a short notice period anyway.
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