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Re: Struggling to get a job

At first I would like to thank all of you for your tips, nice words and support I have never expected such a big response!! It gives me hope that everything may end up good

I am 28 and still at the beggining of my carieer path, so sometime I feel like I am a bit behind.

To be clear, I don't expect to get a job in a month. I am just upset and confused that after 1 month I haven't received even 1 call. That's what I meant.

Somebody asked, so I am explaining that I am doing my second Master now. I have already one in Transport & Logistic, but I have never worked in that field.

When I am saying my partner I mean my boyfriend of course We are not married.

When it comes to CV, I am sending of course also my cover letter, diplomas (here I have a problem because I own the original ones and translations into German, not sure if I should send both or just the translation) and recommendation letters.


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UE28.

I'd guess it's Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania or something. It does matter, all other things equal.

AFAIK, it pays (for women) to make a super-professional CV photo because more often than not, they get hired on the looks.
(Sad, but true - just accept it).

Entry-level positions are especially hard to find, because nobody wants to train people and rather have somebody else pay for and do the training.

I'd go for the exchange-program. Gives you a foot in here and the university (ETH, I assume) is a door-opener for many large and small companies.

Once you have a piece of paper from a Swiss university, your CV will automatically move up the stack.
No I am not from any of those 3 countries.
I am trying with entry - level positions, I really don't expect much I am willing to learn and gain experience.

You think that exchange-program is a good idea ? The whole Master is only 1,5 year, so I am already done with 1 Semester, the 2 and 3 I would do in Zurich (being more precise in Winterthur), but anyway I will end up with Master from German Uni. not the Swiss one.

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My wife arrived in August of 2014, I'd been working here since January 2014...she eventually found a job and started in January of 2015.

It will take a few months; and she doesn't speak German and had no relevant qualifications for the job she eventually landed.

Some advice:

1. Fill your time with more than just sending off CVs, recommend attending integration events for expats....they're free and a great way to make friends with people in the same position as you. You can find more about them online, my wife made a lot of good friends she's still in touch with and it definitely picked up her morale.

2. Be flexible with what you're willing to accept, a foot in the door is better than nothing at all. If you're expecting to find your dream job, or something that immediately matches your career path in such a highly competitive market - then lower your expectations in the short-term. Once you're in a job here, I found it's much easier to look for the next and so on...
Good to hear that your wife has finally find a job
Trust me I am not very choosy when it comes to finding a job, I know that I have to learn a lot and I am still the beginner (althoug I am 28 :/ ).

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Dont hear the negative people. Here you need patience and persistence. Also when you move you need to try to integrate and make friends and create a network of people thay will help you.
Dont focus only on your area, focus on the oppotunities that would please you, even if it is a 20% job as assitent or whatever helps you knowing the system and meeting pepople.

If you are patience and restless about finding your opportunity, it will appear.

About felling bad that your partner is paying things by now, if he also wants you around, he must be happy to help you in this new path. It is hard to make this choice and begin from 0. I am sure he will understand you need to stand up for yourself.

Keep it up, if you really want it, you will find a way.
Thank u, thank u, thank u It is good to hear such a positive energy.

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Froggy, first you might think that this no option. But keep it in your mind... Although I agree that it might take much more time to get a job, the waiting time is also a chance for you.

Altough I'm Swiss, I was in the same situation years ago. Don't want to bother you with the story of my life, but the solution finally was to run my own business.

You're in the comfortable situation that you have someone who will keep you alive (in terms of money) and you can do a slow and relaxed start.

It does not even mean that you have to stop searching a job, depending on the success and growth of your business you can do both and after a while you stop one or the other.

Find something that you like to do very much (can be related to your hobbies or your natural skills). Then think about how you can combine the passion to do this and gaining money with it. Today with internet it's so much easier than it was for our parents. You can sell nearly anything or offer any services if you are passionate with it and a little bit creative.

Sure, also this will not feed you from the beginning on, but it's maybe the foundation for something much more long term.
I will think about it but to start your own company you need not only the idea but also a capital

but actually I have one idea (will be glad to get to know people from wine industry or running their own vineyards ).
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One more thing!

According to statistics about 90 % of HR are women. So do you really believe that a beautiful girl would easier get a job ?
I am confused.
I would say, sure, if the recruiter is a man, then the chance is bigger, but if it is a woman ?
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I'd guess it's Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania or something.
'Something' being Croatia (#28).

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ohhh I have't noticed "something". Also not Croatia.
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One more thing!

According to statistics about 90 % of HR are women. So do you really believe that a beautiful girl would easier get a job ?
I am confused.
I would say, sure, if the recruiter is a man, then the chance is bigger, but if it is a woman ?
HR facilitate hiring. They don't make hiring decisions. (unless you're going for a job in HR of course!)
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A long story short: It's a tradition. It comes from a time where applications were sent by mail in an envelope. A time the CV was not printed, but typed on a typewriter.
This was also the time when if you met a chap wearing tweed, you could assume he was a gentleman. This is sadly no longer the case...
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I will think about it but to start your own company you need not only the idea but also a capital

but actually I have one idea (will be glad to get to know people from wine industry or running their own vineyards ).
Well. Capital. Maybe, yes. But first let's hear dbucar:

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....This is actually a very sound advice.
Switzerland also seems to me like a good environment for starting your own small businesses.
Look at this as perhaps an opportunity to follow some of your unattended passions?
Now the first thing is, that dbucar is absolutely right. Switzerland is the perfect place for starting any business. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to sound bad about my country, but the point is that people is not hungry (as I was when I started) and so they do not spend too much energy to find niches and do a business.

And the second thing is, that you don't need capital if you're clever and really willing to move things. In the beginning, you can get outside and do the marketing by yourself, there are so many ideas how to do it. If you need tools, for sure a friend will borrow you some money to start.
But the best is, that these days you have instruments like the internet where you can sell products and services without having fixed costs in the beginning. Think outside of the box.

You need an idea of course. Well, maybe a wineyard is a little bit more on the capital intense side

But a thought about ideas in general. I don't know about your experiences, but with so many things I got in touch by random I thought "well, this is bad for the consumers/clients/customers or too expensive, this could be done much better". Especially in Switzerland there are so many things either not available or too expensive (often twice as expensive like in Germany).

And I'm sure, you will also see many such things if you open your eyes and think about it. And one or more of them will fit one of your passions - and voila, you have it!
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Now the first thing is, that dbucar is absolutely right. Switzerland is the perfect place for starting any business.
Trust me, it isn't. The social system is completely biased against self employed entrepreneurs. If you have a job and lose it... the RAV will pay your life expenses. That's great for somebody young without much savings coming from say Croatia.
What happens when your idea as an entrepreneur doesn't work? That's not irrelevant, especially as the OP does not seem to come from some rich Zurich gold coast family where the kids don't have any financial pressure... its true, there are relatively few start-ups here. Maybe there are some other reasons for that than "the Swiss are too well fed"...
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Trust me, it isn't. The social system is completely biased against self employed entrepreneurs. If you have a job and lose it... the RAV will pay your life expenses. That's great for somebody young without much savings coming from say Croatia.
What happens when your idea as an entrepreneur doesn't work? That's not irrelevant, especially as the OP does not seem to come from some rich Zurich gold coast family where the kids don't have any financial pressure... its true, there are relatively few start-ups here. Maybe there are some other reasons for that than "the Swiss are too well fed"...
must clearify.
  1. never ever rely on RAV, it only pays a short period, then it's game over....
  2. you still keep searching a job while you start your business, no need for risks. You can bet on the horse that makes the race later on. Or keep the job and your (small) business in parallel. So many possibilities. Think positive, that's the base for it. Without this, you have no chance anyways
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Well. Capital. Maybe, yes. But first let's hear dbucar:



Now the first thing is, that dbucar is absolutely right. Switzerland is the perfect place for starting any business. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to sound bad about my country, but the point is that people is not hungry (as I was when I started) and so they do not spend too much energy to find niches and do a business.

And the second thing is, that you don't need capital if you're clever and really willing to move things. In the beginning, you can get outside and do the marketing by yourself, there are so many ideas how to do it. If you need tools, for sure a friend will borrow you some money to start.
But the best is, that these days you have instruments like the internet where you can sell products and services without having fixed costs in the beginning. Think outside of the box.

You need an idea of course. Well, maybe a wineyard is a little bit more on the capital intense side

But a thought about ideas in general. I don't know about your experiences, but with so many things I got in touch by random I thought "well, this is bad for the consumers/clients/customers or too expensive, this could be done much better". Especially in Switzerland there are so many things either not available or too expensive (often twice as expensive like in Germany).

And I'm sure, you will also see many such things if you open your eyes and think about it. And one or more of them will fit one of your passions - and voila, you have it!
With what do you use to buy the products you are selling over the internet ? I feel for a novice to ask for pre-payment from her buyers may be stretching credibility a bit far...


Switzerland is a good place to start a business....providing yiu have the necessary capital.

Importing from Germany...well you'll certainly need to pay before they leave Germany and then pay the import taxes and duties and transport before you can sell them.
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Switzerland is a good place to start a business....providing yiu have the necessary capital.

Importing from Germany...well you'll certainly need to pay before they leave Germany and then pay the import taxes and duties and transport before you can sell them.
I guess you can do what Swiss businesses do and just advertise stuff you don't have. Take their money. Order the stuff from China and stop people from cancelling when it takes 2 months to ship over.
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Switzerland is a good place to start a business....providing yiu have the necessary capital.

Importing from Germany...well you'll certainly need to pay before they leave Germany and then pay the import taxes and duties and transport before you can sell them.
Sorry to say, but this is the wrong mindset. You always WILL find reasons, why it can't work.
If you're positive thinking and ready for this, you will turn the question in a way like "what can I do to make it happen".

Also you don't have to trade, but of course you can if you want. But then you might for sure not want to import things from Germany, that's too easy, c'mon.

But there are so many other business models than trading. But even if you decide to trade, you maybe order first very small quantites, re-invest the earnings, next batch is twice as big and again and again...

But you also can craft things which are unique, rare and maybe exclusive, so that even rich people in Japan will buy it. But it's only one of so many possibilities.

No joke, there even are folks selling Swiss alps air to asia. I personally think it's nothing to be proud of, but just to show you that you must think out of the box.

If you let it sink into your mind and you really want to, suddenly you will see open doors instead of just walls.

With these wise words of wisdom I will stop this from my side now because this is hijacking the thread, it was just meant as a small input. But someone can open a thread "pros and cons of running the own business"...
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Sorry to say, but this is the wrong mindset. You always WILL find reasons, why it can't work.
If you're positive thinking and ready for this, you will turn the question in a way like "what can I do to make it happen".

Also you don't have to trade, but of course you can if you want. But then you might for sure not want to import things from Germany, that's too easy, c'mon.

But there are so many other business models than trading. But even if you decide to trade, you maybe order first very small quantites, re-invest the earnings, next batch is twice as big and again and again...

But you also can craft things which are unique, rare and maybe exclusive, so that even rich people in Japan will buy it. But it's only one of so many possibilities.

No joke, there even are folks selling Swiss alps air to asia. I personally think it's nothing to be proud of, but just to show you that you must think out of the box.

If you let it sink into your mind and you really want to, suddenly you will see open doors instead of just walls.

With these wise words of wisdom I will stop this from my side now because this is hijacking the thread, it was just meant as a small input. But someone can open a thread "pros and cons of running the own business"...
I never said it couldn't happen, i implied it was not realist to think you can do it without capital....slight difference
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Ot he could be just an " it ".
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You gender Nazi!

He might be a she, or a myriad of other possible genders!

How dare you assume that it is a he!

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RAV, it only pays a short period, then it's game over....
Not entirely. After RAV you can apply for social welfare... and you still have to keep looking for a job.
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People on Social Welfare are held in disdain in Switzerland. Never never go on Social Welfare!
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Do your exchange program here.It will help you to integrate and in the meantime you can be investigating working possibilities here.

Dont forget you are competing with people with experience or Swiss students looking for their first employment.

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Hey guys !!

I wasn't sure if I should post a new topic but I would like to get some advice.

In September I am joining my partner in Zurich. He was moved from Germany there. Of course, we talked about pros and cons of living in Zurich, but I had no idea that it would be so hard for me to find a job

Since 1 month I have been sending CVs without even one positive reaction. At first I would like to say that I am also not German, I am from UE28, but have been living in Germany for 3 years, where I met my partner. I speak already fluent English and German. I studied in my country, have a master's degree and now I am studying my second master (in Finance, accounting, corporate law and taxation). My Uni offers an exchange program in Zurich, so I could actually do 1 year there and in worst case, come back for a few months to Germany to write my master thesis or pass exams.

The problem is that I can't stay in Zurich without a job My partner pays for the flat and food, but I don't want to ask for more. I feel really bad and depressed when I think that I will spend all days alone without a job, sending CV.
The exchange program will start anyway from February 2018 so there is still lot of time.

I have always thought that Switzerland is an open-minded country, but now as I am reading people's stories, especially from women who have moved because of their husbands I am really scared.
I have never wanted to be that type of woman who is sitting at home, without a career I am not even sure if this exchange program will help me to get a job there in the future.

I am even thinking of going back to my country, get a job there, but it is hard to give up on love

What do you guys think, I have a Bachelor in European economy and Master in Transport & Logistic. Unfortunately I have never worked in Logistic so have no experience. I am applying for internships or Praktikum but still get only rejections.

I will appreciate all tips

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People on Social Welfare are held in disdain in Switzerland. Never never go on Social Welfare!
Your comment is rather a generalization.
Some people get caught out. They don't have savings (either because they struggle or because they simply don't put anything by) and don't manage to find a job during the time they are on unemployment benefits. Not my situation, might I add.

Personally I have never been on social welfare. I was on unemployment benefit for about 1 year, 10 years ago, so it was good to know that there is a safety net should the worse have come to the worse.

I know someone who has just recently run out of unemployment benefits and is not going onto social welfare as she has taken a job she was offered which is not in her normal line of work, what's more it is only part-time and poorly paid, but it is better than nothing or having to take social welfare and then pay it back when she starts earning properly again. She says if it gets too much or if she loses it, at least she has this safety net. In other countries you don't always have this.

What would you do?!
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Yes as the last resort.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz...story/14158972
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Your comment is rather a generalization.
Some people get caught out. They don't have savings (either because they struggle or because they simply don't put anything by) and don't manage to find a job during the time they are on unemployment benefits. Not my situation, might I add.

Personally I have never been on social welfare. I was on unemployment benefit for about 1 year, 10 years ago, so it was good to know that there is a safety net should the worse have come to the worse.

I know someone who has just recently run out of unemployment benefits and is not going onto social welfare as she has taken a job she was offered which is not in her normal line of work, what's more it is only part-time and poorly paid, but it is better than nothing or having to take social welfare and then pay it back when she starts earning properly again. She says if it gets too much or if she loses it, at least she has this safety net. In other countries you don't always have this.

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must clearify.
  1. never ever rely on RAV, it only pays a short period, then it's game over....
  2. you still keep searching a job while you start your business, no need for risks. You can bet on the horse that makes the race later on. Or keep the job and your (small) business in parallel. So many possibilities. Think positive, that's the base for it. Without this, you have no chance anyways

2 years is a short period to receive 70 or 80% of your last salary.....
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