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Struggling to get a job

Hey guys !!

I wasn't sure if I should post a new topic but I would like to get some advice.

In September I am joining my partner in Zurich. He was moved from Germany there. Of course, we talked about pros and cons of living in Zurich, but I had no idea that it would be so hard for me to find a job

Since 1 month I have been sending CVs without even one positive reaction. At first I would like to say that I am also not German, I am from UE28, but have been living in Germany for 3 years, where I met my partner. I speak already fluent English and German. I studied in my country, have a master's degree and now I am studying my second master (in Finance, accounting, corporate law and taxation). My Uni offers an exchange program in Zurich, so I could actually do 1 year there and in worst case, come back for a few months to Germany to write my master thesis or pass exams.

The problem is that I can't stay in Zurich without a job My partner pays for the flat and food, but I don't want to ask for more. I feel really bad and depressed when I think that I will spend all days alone without a job, sending CV.
The exchange program will start anyway from February 2018 so there is still lot of time.

I have always thought that Switzerland is an open-minded country, but now as I am reading people's stories, especially from women who have moved because of their husbands I am really scared.
I have never wanted to be that type of woman who is sitting at home, without a career I am not even sure if this exchange program will help me to get a job there in the future.

I am even thinking of going back to my country, get a job there, but it is hard to give up on love

What do you guys think, I have a Bachelor in European economy and Master in Transport & Logistic. Unfortunately I have never worked in Logistic so have no experience. I am applying for internships or Praktikum but still get only rejections.

I will appreciate all tips
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Re: Struggling to get a job

A sorry tale indeed and as you have read the stories you will know that there is almost no chance for you to get a job. At least you speak German.
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A sorry tale indeed and as you have read the stories you will know that there is almost no chance for you to get a job. At least you speak German.
more than obvious that you don't like immigrants.
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Re: Struggling to get a job

Gently, gently.
I appreciate that things are frustrating for you but don't shoot the messenger.

A month is no time at all for looking for a job here.
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Re: Struggling to get a job

Don't give up to quickly, a month might feel like much, but it isn't.

As for living on your partner, some like it, others don't, but discuss this with your partner, if he loves you he should be perfectly fine with supporting you while you keep trying. He knows this country and could not have had the expectation that you would land a job within weeks. Don't be to hard on yourself, you try and want to, that is all you can do.

The study is also something you should talk over with your partner, but also have a good look on the market here, how would it improve your changes, and be prepared to spend months and months looking for a job when coming back and again have to rely on him.

In the meanwhile you might feel some independence by doing cleaning work, or babysitting, or help people from your country to learn better English or German, might not be the income you desire, but it gives a feeling or doing your bit which should give you some more relaxation while seeking the job you desire.
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Re: Struggling to get a job

First off, concluding it is "the Swiss'" fault after a measly month is a bit out there.

Secondly, a month is NOTHING. It is absolutely normal here to spend 6, 7, 8 months and more looking for a job, easily sending out 100+ applications, and that is for people that speak several languages and have years of experience.

Why is that?
a) the Swiss labor market is not particularly dynamic, but leans on the slow side
b) Swiss employers tend to be able to freely choose whoever they want to hire given they can hire from anywhere in the EU
c) that leads to Swiss or Switzerland-based employers to be picky and perfectionist and if you don't fit the description 100%, you'll find it will slow down your job search significantly
d) speaking a couple of languages and having a Masters degree doesn't make you stand out particularly - most people have this or more here or substitute the degree with an apprenticeship, which is in fact worth a lot
e) because of d) Switzerland has a very high-skilled labor market and this is a significant difference to most EU countries, and most countries beyond the EU
f) no one and I mean NO ONE will open any doors for you, you will need to find something that makes you stand out from the masses and, above all, you will need to be very patient and work hard to find a job and very likely even harder to get anywhere with it

You better understand all of this now rather than later.

That being said, you say nothing about where you previously worked and what relevant work experience you have. I don't really understand the exchange program bit - are you still at uni? You say you have that Master degree - have you actually completed it?


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He knows this country and could not have had the expectation that you would land a job within weeks.
He doesn't, he was transferred here for what I assume is the first time.
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Re: Struggling to get a job

Search for jobs in Supply chain.
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Re: Struggling to get a job

Don't give up or let yoursef get depressed so quickly! Most people in your situation spend 6 month to a year looking and applying.. in fact many spend longer than that before they land the job they want. Keep looking and also try to meet as many people who work in the companies you're interested in as you can and openly talk to them about your situation. Connection can give you a huge lead. Good luck!!
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Hey guys !!

I wasn't sure if I should post a new topic but I would like to get some advice.

In September I am joining my partner in Zurich. He was moved from Germany there. Of course, we talked about pros and cons of living in Zurich, but I had no idea that it would be so hard for me to find a job

Since 1 month I have been sending CVs without even one positive reaction. At first I would like to say that I am also not German, I am from UE28, but have been living in Germany for 3 years, where I met my partner. I speak already fluent English and German. I studied in my country, have a master's degree and now I am studying my second master (in Finance, accounting, corporate law and taxation). My Uni offers an exchange program in Zurich, so I could actually do 1 year there and in worst case, come back for a few months to Germany to write my master thesis or pass exams.

The problem is that I can't stay in Zurich without a job My partner pays for the flat and food, but I don't want to ask for more. I feel really bad and depressed when I think that I will spend all days alone without a job, sending CV.
The exchange program will start anyway from February 2018 so there is still lot of time.

I have always thought that Switzerland is an open-minded country, but now as I am reading people's stories, especially from women who have moved because of their husbands I am really scared.
I have never wanted to be that type of woman who is sitting at home, without a career I am not even sure if this exchange program will help me to get a job there in the future.

I am even thinking of going back to my country, get a job there, but it is hard to give up on love

What do you guys think, I have a Bachelor in European economy and Master in Transport & Logistic. Unfortunately I have never worked in Logistic so have no experience. I am applying for internships or Praktikum but still get only rejections.

I will appreciate all tips
Maybe you just not suited for here,happens
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Re: Struggling to get a job

A month is nothing when searching for a job. Switzerland generally takes July and August off, and along with Christmas do just maintenance work at the office. When September comes you will see many more vacancies.
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Maybe you just not suited for here,happens
How exactly does that dismissive comment help her?

It's obvious that she wants to be here and feels 'suited'. She's looking for advice and support. It may well be the case that she will struggle to get the sort of job she wants, and feels qualified for. But this is nothing to do with her being "suited" or not to the country she wants to live in.
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I speak already fluent English and German. I studied in my country, have a master's degree and now I am studying my second master (in Finance, accounting, corporate law and taxation). My Uni offers an exchange program in Zurich, so I could actually do 1 year there and in worst case, come back for a few months to Germany to write my master thesis or pass exams.

The problem is that I can't stay in Zurich without a job My partner pays for the flat and food, but I don't want to ask for more. I feel really bad and depressed when I think that I will spend all days alone without a job, sending CV.
The exchange program will start anyway from February 2018 so there is still lot of time.
Many foreigners are prepared to work at jobs for which they are overqualified, as an EU28 you must know that. Whereas it is not great and dandy to work as a cleaner or baby sitter with a master's degree in your pocket, maybe it is time to look for these options too while you do this exchange programme. That is not to say to give up your dreams and keep looking for a better job, by all means, No. You keep applying, re-polishing your resume, customise it for specific jobs etc etc
It is not ideal, but...

(or if your prospects are better in Germany, why come here after all, your partner can adjust to your situation too you know)

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Re: Struggling to get a job

I worked as a babysitter for about 4 months until I found something that I actually wanted to do.

I'm also college educated with experience but at the time that was my only option.

Now I have my own career and gaining work experience here in Switzerland.

As previous posters said, 1 month is nothing to find a job. You need to keep at it.
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How exactly does that dismissive comment help her?

It's obvious that she wants to be here and feels 'suited'. She's looking for advice and support. It may well be the case that she will struggle to get the sort of job she wants, and feels qualified for. But this is nothing to do with her being "suited" or not to the country she wants to live in.
The OP states she has sent a lot of CV's with no answer or replies to date, she has an extensive education although little experience, maybe her type of qualifications and experiences are just not suited for Swiss companies, it does happen !
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Re: Struggling to get a job

I had to read the negative comments again to make sure I am not reading wrong. I can only imagine some of them were sarcastic because the OP has only been applying for a month and is already panicking.

First, as some people have already said, 1 month is a very short time to find a job here in CH. I would say it is short to find a job anywhere in the world. She also says she had no replies which might indicate that they might still get back to her.

Secondly, "she is not suited to CH" or "she will never find anything"? She says she is fluent in German and English. That is already much better than 90% of the foreigners working here. If she had spoken no German, that would have been the first thing the people here would have found fault with.

Last but not least, why should she do cleaning when she has a master degree? There is nothing wrong with cleaning and people recommending this way of supporting herself are probably doing it because she emphasized that she does not want to depend on her boyfriend but surely with her German she can find something more in line with her education. Also, it is not like she will easily find a legal cleaning job with her CV.

To sum up for the OP:

1. 1 month is too short.
2. Because you speak fluent German you have increased your chances of finding employment massively.
3. Some people seem to have been rubbed off the wrong way by your post or they are in a bad mood for some reason, ignore them.
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but don't shoot the messenger.
I do not see any messengers saying anything meaningful before you posted your reply. The first reply she got says "She will never fin a job", which is far from the truth.
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Re: Struggling to get a job

It took me over one year to find a job, and I had to make a 1.5 hour commute every morning and take only a 6-month contract. But once you have the experience in CH, it gets much easier after that. Good luck!
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Don't just send your CV (in German, with photo). You must also send your letter of references from previous jobs (Zeugnis), and scanned copies of all your diplomas/certificates. Don't wait for the second round to provide the latter 2 - there won't be one.
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Don't just send your CV (in German, with photo). You must also send your letter of references from previous jobs (Zeugnis), and scanned copies of all your diplomas/certificates. Don't wait for the second round to provide the latter 2 - there won't be one.
That's only true for (some very) Swiss companies. In MNCs, there very likely won't be a Swiss "recruiter" (aka application pre-scanner) anyway and they will subsequently have no clue what a Zeugnis even is. In the past 10 years I have not once applied to anything with more than a CV (even sans picture) and a cover letter - but that was MNCs only.
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Remove your nationality, indicia of nationality (education or woek experience, if obtained in your home coutry) and your photo from cv and report if it went any better. Keep it in mind that in CH you will be super heavily judged based on your looks and nationality, and your CV will fly straight in recycle bin, along with your experience, if you dont pass looks/nationality filter.You have already experienced that speaking German gives you no advantage and that german language precondition is just an excuse to politically filter out unwanted auslanders. No one will ever admit this, including anonymous recruiters on this forum, but it's true.Swiss recruiters are the biggest discriminatory twats ever.
Terrible "advise".

If you don't put a photo onto your CV, it will look suspicious. If you miss to mention your nationality, it will hurt even more. And if you remove anything about your foreign background, your CV will go straight into the bin for lacking enough information.

Yes, there are jobs where look and being able to speak the native language (Which is Swiss German in the Swiss German speaking area, not German!) are rather important. For most jobs, it doesn't matter however.

Funnily enough, lots of Swiss complain that cheap foreigners take their jobs, and that companies are basically throwing away Swiss applicants CV's and just hiring cheap Germans
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