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Help: Redundancy but with complexity

Hello
Hope you can help
I am an Indian and I work for a Swiss company. I have a swiss Local contract
I started working in Switzerland in 2011. However in 2013 my company asked me to go to UK.
I still contribute to the swiss social security system (for past 4 years) and my long term employment links were with switzerland

Now the company is telling me they dont have roles back in Switzerland for me and might offer me redundancy

Questions
1. Will they need to bring me to Switzerland to get Unemployment benefit (Idont have a valid current B Permit) as they have placed me in UK
2. I am on earning CHF200K+. How much is the maximum unemployment (married with 2 kids)
2. Does the company legally need to bring me back to Switzerland
3. Is there a way in which I can get an AVS back
4. What are the documents required to get AVS back
5. What is LLP

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Old 11.09.2017, 12:33
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Re: Help: Redundancy but with complexity

To be clear - you are not resident in Switzerland, but you say you have been paying Swiss taxes?

I don't see how that would work.

Having a contract with a Swiss company is not the same as being tax resident.
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Re: Help: Redundancy but with complexity

Are your wife and kids here in CH or in the UK?
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Old 11.09.2017, 12:43
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Re: Help: Redundancy but with complexity

I think the UK tax man would probably like to have a chat with you op
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Re: Help: Redundancy but with complexity

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2. I am on earning CHF200K+. How much is the maximum unemployment (married with 2 kids)

1. You earn so much and you can not pay the services of a professional who can advise you properly???

2. You wrote 2 times 2., maybe you shall pay attention to details, which could explain your (well-off)situation.
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Old 11.09.2017, 12:55
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Re: Help: Redundancy but with complexity

This may help as a start (however, not sure if it works in your case as you do not have a work permit for Switzerland):

https://www.ch.ch/en/foreign-nationa...d-switzerland/
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You better find yourself a specialised bookkeeper/lawyer a.s.a.p. unless there is more to your story you might be in for an enormous load of very expensive trouble, and do this before you start asking for unemployment money in the UK

Unemployment benefits are not for those who don't hold a valid Swiss residence or settlement permit. So you already seem to fail to meet the first criteria, as for the UK even if you paid for social security's and taxes (which I hope you did) wellfare is an absolute minimum (think of about 70/80 GBP for a single persons household, and depending on situation some extra to pay for a housing) and in most cases for non-eu expats only for 6 months.

Maybe you can claim back Swiss taxes and payments for the social security system, but if you still have to pay them in the UK that is not going to help you since in the U.k. for 4 years of 200K+ you should have payed 300K+ on taxes.
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Re: Help: Redundancy but with complexity

I am paying Social Taxes in Switzerland Not income Tax. Income Tax has to be paid in UK as you are rightly pointing out. However I contribute to the AVS, Maternity insurance, unemployment insurance in Switzerland (Uk and Swiss governments have an agreement which allows this)
In terms of wife and kid they are in the UK with me
Happy to employ a professional if people can advise some good company. Never stayed in Switzerland long enough to know good companies
Thanks for the help
Understand it is complex and if people can point me to the right direction/company, I am happy to take this forward
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I am paying Social Taxes in Switzerland Not income Tax. Income Tax has to be paid in UK as you are rightly pointing out. However I contribute to the AVS, Maternity insurance, unemployment insurance in Switzerland (Uk and Swiss governments have an agreement which allows this)
In terms of wife and kid they are in the UK with me
Happy to employ a professional if people can advise some good company. Never stayed in Switzerland long enough to know good companies
Thanks for the help
Understand it is complex and if people can point me to the right direction/company, I am happy to take this forward
I cannot direct to you a company I have not found over a Google search, let's not do such.

As for unemployment money, if you indeed fit the rules the maximum benefit is around 10.8K/month.

Personally I would think these rulings apply to Swiss people working in the U.K. or for British people working in Switzerland.
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I am paying Social Taxes in Switzerland Not income Tax. Income Tax has to be paid in UK as you are rightly pointing out. However I contribute to the AVS, Maternity insurance, unemployment insurance in Switzerland (Uk and Swiss governments have an agreement which allows this)
In terms of wife and kid they are in the UK with me
Happy to employ a professional if people can advise some good company. Never stayed in Switzerland long enough to know good companies
Thanks for the help
Understand it is complex and if people can point me to the right direction/company, I am happy to take this forward
are you on a local UK contract or on a global assignment?
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Re: Help: Redundancy but with complexity

Swiss RAV job service FAQ #2 answers the below question (translated):

"2. When am I entitled to unemployment compensation?

Residence in Switzerland

Your nationality does not play a role in claiming unemployment compensation. You must, however, reside in Switzerland (foreigners and foreigners must have a valid permanent residence or residence permit). If you live abroad and work in Switzerland (cross-border commuter), you usually draw your unemployment compensation in the country of residence, according to the regulations in force there."

http://www.treffpunkt-arbeit.ch/arbeitslos/FAQ/

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Happy to employ a professional if people can advise some good company ..... if people can point me to the right direction/company, I am happy to take this forward
I suspect you are being social security equalised financially by the company at your level (as part of expat package), while in the background you are legally indeed paying the UK NI contribution and not paying the Swiss AHV.

If this is wrong, you must have an AHV card number and an AHV office allocated to you. Call them, ask them how much is your contribution and period you have been contributing (they maintain this and can send you your full contribution history). They can then also advise if & how you can claim benefit. Here is a quick link I found of AHV which seems to deal with non-Swiss residents.
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