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Re: Need Help! Terminated after moving to CH

Yes, money was part of it. I was going to relocate to Switzerland one way or another for personal reasons, and it was at that point picking between multiple leads. This one seemed the most promising at the moment and got me an offer the fastest.
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Thank you everyone for your replies and thoughtful suggestions.

When I mentioned "handwritten" perhaps that was a poor choice of words - I meant it was written by the employer and was not a standard big company type contract. He had non-standard terms and at the time I was naive and never thought I'd be in this situation.

I did fly over here to interview, actually with another company, and this offer was for more money and higher upside potential. But you're right in that I should have been more suspicious of goods so easily given. I plan to write to the employer I turned down and hope that they might be open for a discussion.

Also reaching out to the alums in the area (ironically enough, this guy is also one). Had an interview today with his father whom my employer put me in touch with in a completely unrelated field, but may have an interest in hiring me. The employer is also open to a proposal on my part for a severely reduced rate and suggested different responsibilities that would make me more useful to him where he would not spend time teaching me. I have no problem swallowing my pride on this if it means less financial distress in the short term.

I have to agree that at a high level, the time investment in interviewing, reference checking, getting approval for a specialist non-EU hire would outweigh the time investment in helping me get up to speed, but in his eyes his time is more valuable and he's not interested in mentorship. He said he'd be happy to have me in a few years but that I'd need to find another place to teach me the things he doesn't want to and pay for that time. While I can understand the lack of resources at a small company, it's still frustrating and painful to be on the receiving end of this.

I have enough funds to last me 3-4 months, and already have the bank account set up so I am not in immediate distress. I also plan to offer to work at a very reduced rate while I investigate other leads - this should help pay bills and maintain me as an employee, if he accepts. Along the same lines I'll try to negotiate the payback of the relocation expenses.
Wow, this guy really seems like a complete **** and he was being an idiot if he thought he wouldn't have to invest any time in training someone coming from a different country whose skills he didn't know in-depth. If I were you I would try and extract myself from his clutches as soon as you can with minimal financial damage and then steer well clear of him.

There is nothing wrong with accepting a lesser role as long as you don't hamstring yourself financially. Also, do you get to keep the B permit or is that now in jeopardy?
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Re: Need Help! Terminated after moving to CH

As I can´t correct my earlier post, you can apply for job offers but you cannot actually work in Switzerland, unless it is for the employer that applied for your permit
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It only would cost him some hours, he can fire somebody easily if not good enough in his eyes, and would get the 20K investment back. Combine that with somebody who would be willing to sign such contract and wrong expectations from both sides.

Does not sound so weird to me.
It seems he didn't like the fact that he gave him a higher salary that the initial offer (same level as the already established employees) and he will have to go through a training period. Possibly the OP asked for too much in the first place...
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It seems he didn't like the fact that he gave him a higher salary that the initial offer (same level as the already established employees) and he will have to go through a training period. Possibly the OP asked for too much in the first place...
I should mention that the salary is in line or below MBA salaries (low six figures), and I believe actually on the low end for Switzerland finance jobs.
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I should mention that the salary is in line or below MBA salaries (low six figures), and I believe actually on the low end for Switzerland finance jobs.
Low six figures is not on the low end for Zrurich finance jobs as there is a huge variance depending on what it is you actually do. What does "low six figures" mean anyway? 300k? 200k? 100k?
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Low six figures is not on the low end for Zrurich finance jobs as there is a huge variance depending on what it is you actually do. What does "low six figures" mean anyway? 300k? 200k? 100k?
Closer to the 100k mark
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It seems he didn't like the fact that he gave him a higher salary that the initial offer (same level as the already established employees) and he will have to go through a training period. Possibly the OP asked for too much in the first place...
Absolutely not!
A salary is negotiated, offer was made and accepted.
There's nothing like "too much" during an interview, that's where you agree or not and "discover each others".
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Closer to the 100k mark
Ok, and what is it you do?
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Closer to the 100k mark
It was a salary that a barely-funded startup was willing to offer me as one of my other leads, so it's not exorbitant in my mind. This family office just wasn't happy that there is a gap between where I was performing and the people with almost twice my experience. Those people took a bigger paycut to work there pretty much.
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I should mention that the salary is in line or below MBA salaries (low six figures), and I believe actually on the low end for Switzerland finance jobs.
MBA is not a strong degree in Europe and certainly won't guarantee a certain level of compensation. Experience matters.
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Ok, and what is it you do?
Investments in startups, i.e. VC
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I should mention that the salary is in line or below MBA salaries (low six figures), and I believe actually on the low end for Switzerland finance jobs.
The situation is a bit questionable, but I wouldn't rely on what you've learned from the internet on salaries. It's way out and pointless, especially in finance.
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Is a Swiss debt not to be paid in the US? What would prohibit the employer selling the debt to an american agency in for example 2 years, or pursue OP in America..
It's only been for the past few years that it's possible to chase a debt from an EU country to Switzerland (and back). Even then it's difficult. If a UK company decided I owed them money, first they'd have to get a UK court to judge in favour, then take that judgement to a Swiss court. After that, there's the difficulty question of enforcing the judgement.

Selling debts to agencies can work - but only if the alledged creditor folds. Often debt collection agencies have no legal leg to stand on.

If there's any doubt of the legititmacy of the debt, then it's almost certainly not worth the trouble and cost. Grief - it's hard enough pursue a criminal case across borders, never mind a civil case.

Franky. I'd bet on a Swiss debt being unenforceable in the US.
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Re: Need Help! Terminated after moving to CH

So this company spent several thousand francs to apply for a permit for you, funded your relocation costs to the tune of 20,000 and then just let you go after 3 weeks? This sounds very odd. As said earlier, most non-EU nationals start off with L permits - B's are usually for highly skilled and very expensive workers in top international companies since there are quota limits for both types of permits with the B's being a much lower allocation.

Are you sure they actually did the application? How long has it taken? Did you get confirmation from the Swiss embassy/consulate in the States that the permit application was successful and you needed a Type D visa to enter Switzerland for more than 90 days? The non-EU hiring criteria is here:

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html
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Can I just ask why, if you are so highly qualified, that you accepted a job with a small family business instead of going for a large and reputable company? Small family businesses are often the absolute worst and most unprofessional environments, not to mention the most unstable, you can be in. Moving from the USA to join that kind of "freestyle" environment seems like a huge risk unless you were desperate.
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So this company spent several thousand francs to apply for a permit for you, funded your relocation costs to the tune of 20,000 and then just let you go after 3 weeks? This sounds very odd. As said earlier, most non-EU nationals start off with L permits - B's are usually for highly skilled and very expensive workers in top international companies since there are quota limits for both types of permits with the B's being a much lower allocation.

Are you sure they actually did the application? How long has it taken? Did you get confirmation from the Swiss embassy/consulate in the States that the permit application was successful and you needed a Type D visa to enter Switzerland for more than 90 days? The non-EU hiring criteria is here:

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html
Yes, it does seem odd, I agree. They did apply, I got the visa already in my passport, I have the confirmation from both the Canton and the Federal level that it was approved, and I already did the biometrics for the permit earlier this week, so it's in the mail at this point and I have to pick it up at the Gemeindehaus in a week or so.
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Re: Need Help! Terminated after moving to CH

First of all, this sounds like a complete nightmare. Secondly, some quality advice from the forum regulars. Take heed of all of this advice.


I must say, after reading your recent post... Going for an interview with the current employer's father? Continuing in a lesser role for a severely cut salary? "I would have you back once trained". All further alarm bells in my opinion. I would get out of that ecosystem altogether.

The average person wouldn't be able to sustain themselves beyond about a month in Zurich, freshly landed with no job or valid permit, based on 'reasonable savings'. I normally would not advocate this but packing your bags and leaving tomorrow wouldn't be unreasonable. Plenty of people would have no choice. Beg the real estate company to cancel your lease and cancel whatever else you have committed too, all as above board as possible. Would the guy chase you for the money? I'm not sure.


Although what has happened has happened, signing up to that clause has been a costly lesson of the sound of it. Places I know here have hired from overseas and fired within the probation period, but they never have a clawback on the scenario where they fire you. When signing the contract, that scenario must have crossed your mind.


I feel your pain. Don't panic and look forwards not back. Good luck.
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most non-EU nationals start off with L permits - B's are usually for highly skilled and very expensive workers in top international companies
I came here on a B, working for a local, privately owned, company.

Of course, EU/non-EU were on the same footing back then.

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I came here on a B, working for a local, privately owned, company.

Of course, EU/non-EU were on the same footing back then.

Tom
And it was like one or two years ago I hear


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is your B permit tied to your (former) employer or not?
(I may have overlooked that information and if I did, I apologize)


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I must say, after reading your recent post... Going for an interview with the current employer's father? Continuing in a lesser role for a severely cut salary? "I would have you back once trained". All further alarm bells in my opinion. I would get out of that ecosystem altogether.
Agree.
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