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Hi All,
my partner (MP) is new in CH and has been working in a bar as a kitchen help for several months.
Since the day they started they have always asked for opportunity to move to the bar works as that is what MP has done previously and very successfully around Europe.
Unfortunately the requests have always been rejected because or reasons like, there is a waiting list already or you are not Irish or we can't find people to fill your position in the kitchen.
4 weeks ago the 6th or 7th bar person left (they never stay long) and MP asked for the job. MP was given the job, 2 days a week. After 3 weeks the work in the bar stopped for no given reason which obviously pissed off MP and on top of that MP's work in the kitchen also dropped down.
MP's contact states minimum 20 hours a week however they have been lucky to get 10 - 15 hours.
Some days the manager would let MP work 1 hour out of 4 hours and then send MP home without full pay. Other days the manager would expect MP to work extra but without pay (MP was told to clock out).
Obviously in the early stages of work especially the 3 months probationary, people will do these things just to keep their work but after several months it is no longer tolerable.
Additional to this, whilst working in the kitchen, MP never received any tips which we since found out ALL staff received tips no matter what their role was. Once MP was working in the bar MP started to receive tips but only from the sub manager but never from the main manager when they worked the same shift.
There has been other incidents and this list could go on and on but as you may have gathered I have tried not to be too specific (where we live, gender of partner etc) just in case this is seen by the manager mentioned above.
Any help or advice is greatly appreciated
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Old 18.10.2017, 14:22
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Sounds like now you know why the staff never stay long. Don't like it, find another job.

As usual first questions are what nationality is your partner and what Swiss permit do they have?
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Sounds like now you know why the staff never stay long. Don't like it, find another job.

As usual first questions are what nationality is your partner and what Swiss permit do they have?
He should tell the manager he is not happy with the situation. If the manager doesn't offer to improve the situation then he should look for another job. There's not really any more he can do.
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MP is Lithuanian with a B permit and finding a job in this area has been so difficult because of the language barrier (MP has 5 languages but not fluent German). If MP leaves this job MP has to give up their permit and is then limited to 3 months before they have to leave. So I assume you accept bullying ?
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Whats an MP?

ETA - if he's not fluent in the local language then how can he be a barman anyway??
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So I assume you accept bullying ?
That is a BS remark.

Apart from the fact that we only have one side of the story, albeit a nasty one, there is nothing much more he can do besides what Grumpy already wrote.
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Whats an MP?

ETA - if he's not fluent in the local language then how can he be a barman anyway??
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Old 18.10.2017, 15:13
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MP is Lithuanian with a B permit and finding a job in this area has been so difficult because of the language barrier (MP has 5 languages but not fluent German). If MP leaves this job MP has to give up their permit and is then limited to 3 months before they have to leave. So I assume you accept bullying ?
marry him then, sorted
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MP is Lithuanian with a B permit and finding a job in this area has been so difficult because of the language barrier (MP has 5 languages but not fluent German). If MP leaves this job MP has to give up their permit and is then limited to 3 months before they have to leave. So I assume you accept bullying ?
Incorrect. Since he's an EU national he won't lose his permit simply because he doesn't have a job. Depending on how long he's worked here in Switzerland or in the EU (12 months in the last 24) he can claim unemployment benefit. Even if he can't claim he won't lose the permit until it comes up for renewal, assuming he/you can continue to support him financially.

And no one should accept bullying - which is why he needs to look for another job.
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Whats an MP?

ETA - if he's not fluent in the local language then how can he be a barman anyway??
MP is My Partner

most Irish, English bars don't require the local language and you will find that throughout the world
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most Irish, English bars don't require the local language and you will find that throughout the world
Maybe not in the kitchen, but I'd be surprised if that were the case for a barman.
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marry him then, sorted
D"OH already married....not very helpful thank you
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D"OH already married....not very helpful thank you
If you actually shared useful information like this from the beginning instead of drip feeding and giving snarky replies, maybe somebody could help you.

Except they'd be wasting their time because Mr Grapefruit has already told you everything you need to know.
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D"OH already married....not very helpful thank you
If you are married, and he loses his permit, just get him a permit based on yours.

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most Irish, English bars don't require the local language and you will find that throughout the world
LOL LOL not been to may irish or english bars in switzerland then, have you
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most Irish, English bars don't require the local language and you will find that throughout the world
Here they certainly require the local language, as most of the customers are locals.

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If you are married, and he loses his permit, just get him a permit based on yours.

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I think she means she's married, but not to him
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Maybe not in the kitchen, but I'd be surprised if that were the case for a barman.
have you been to an Irish bar or English bar in CH??? lots do not speak German or Swiss German
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have you been to an Irish bar or English bar in CH??? lots do not speak German or Swiss German
True, some speak Italian or French!

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