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Old 12.11.2017, 08:34
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Put on part time

After smooth sailing for some time, my employer wants me to go to part time and work from home. The office chemistry isn't good, but they need me for certain things, so this is their solution. It's a radical cut-back. Less that 50% (details not yet known). I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I'm over 55. Finding another part-time gig to fill the gap could take a very long time. Anyone with a similar experience?
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Old 12.11.2017, 08:41
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Re: Put on part time

No, but they cannot change that from their side only, it is a change of contract. The alternative could be that they fire you if you do not agree.

You could apply for RAV for the missing 50% but it could be that they "fine" you for agreeing to the reduction of hours.

Maybe someone here has more insight and experience in the ramifications of this all.

Anyway, good luck to you!

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Re: Put on part time

A friend of ours was in a similar position and I believe he signed up with the RAV and they topped up to 80% (he has young kids) of his full time salary until he found another job. I'll ask him for the details if you like.

He actually found a full time job in another company but it took him about six months overall.
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Re: Put on part time

Karl, I hate to say it but to me it looks like the writing is on the wall. Your employer is likely using this as a temporary bridge solution until they find someone who can replace you for all tasks. A typical ploy; this work-from-home gig will likely disappear soon.

If you need to keep working at 100%, then you need to start looking for a full time job, not a second part time job. If you find one while you are still working part time from home for this employer, too bad for them. Give notice properly and don't look back - because they are likely going to do the same to you.

At over 50, it's tough out there. Yes, you may find you need to cobble together part time jobs, a few of our friends are doing this, even to the point of working well over 100%.

Most of our over 50 friends are working outside of Switzerland, however. A number of friends who couldn't get Skippy The Swiss Teenage HR Drone to even read their CVs found have had employers in other countries begging them to join their companies abroad where experience, connections, knowledge are valued. So if you wish to keep working, don't confine yourself to Switzerland.

You say that the chemistry is bad at the moment; negotiate a good reference letter before you agree to any changes.

Wishing you all the best.
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Old 12.11.2017, 08:54
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Re: Put on part time

I was thinking.. keep the part time work-from-home job, and find a 2nd part-time one somewhere else. At my age finding a full time job is pretty hopeless, but a firm needing my skills for just a couple days a week may be easier to find. That would also give me 2 income sources to count on, lowering overall risk, I would be exposed to something new, and maybe even fit in a day or half day off during the week. RAV would cover the missing income for 3 years while I looked!
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Old 12.11.2017, 08:57
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Karl, I hate to say it but to me it looks like the writing is on the wall. Your employer is likely using this as a temporary bridge solution until they find someone who can replace you for all tasks. A typical ploy; this work-from-home gig will likely disappear soon.

If you need to keep working at 100%, then you need to start looking for a full time job, not a second part time job. If you find one while you are still working part time from home for this employer, too bad for them. Give notice properly and don't look back - because they are likely going to do the same to you.

At over 50, it's tough out there. Yes, you may find you need to cobble together part time jobs, a few of our friends are doing this, even to the point of working well over 100%.

Most of our over 50 friends are working outside of Switzerland, however. A number of friends who couldn't get Skippy The Swiss Teenage HR Drone to even read their CVs found have had employers in other countries begging them to join their companies abroad where experience, connections, knowledge are valued. So if you wish to keep working, don't confine yourself to Switzerland.

You say that the chemistry is bad at the moment; negotiate a good reference letter before you agree to any changes.

Wishing you all the best.
That's depressing.
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Old 12.11.2017, 09:09
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Re: Put on part time

The company is terminating your current 100% pensum contract and offering you a 50% contract. Since the reduction is more than 20%, you would be eligible for RAV support.

Generally, RAV will sanction you if you do not accept the new contract, rather than if you do as incorrectly indicated above.

A Beobachter article and Q&A might assist you:

https://www.beobachter.ch/arbeit/arb...stempeln-gehen

https://www.beobachter.ch/foren/ques...osenkasse.html

RAV can offer support for 55+ for up to 520 work days, or two calendar years (520 x 7/5).

http://www.treffpunkt-arbeit.ch/date...d_2012_web.pdf

RAV St. Gallen has an overview brochure in English that might be useful:

https://www.awa.sg.ch/home/arbeitslo...6_englisch.pdf

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A "rule of thumb" I've heard a few times in Switzerland is that job-seekers past age 50 or so should focus on their network to find a new job.
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Old 12.11.2017, 09:12
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Generally, RAV will sanction you if you do not accept the new contract, rather than if you do as incorrectly indicated above.
Is that because there is the risk of loosing the job? Trying to understand the reasoning (and thanks for correcting me)
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Old 12.11.2017, 09:17
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Is that because there is the risk of loosing the job? Trying to understand the reasoning (and thanks for correcting me)
Costs for the insurance fund would be lower.
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Re: Put on part time

This is your second post on a related subject. In the previous post, it looked like the initiative for reducing your working hours, albeit in a much less reduced form, came from you. Is this the employers reaction to your attempt to negotiate a reduction, or didn't it get that far ?
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Old 12.11.2017, 12:40
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This is your second post on a related subject. In the previous post, it looked like the initiative for reducing your working hours, albeit in a much less reduced form, came from you. Is this the employers reaction to your attempt to negotiate a reduction, or didn't it get that far ?
The question of reduction did not come from me. I only mentioned that I was considering it after they informed me they would cut me back.
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RAV can offer support for 55+ for up to 520 work days, or two calendar years (520 x 7/5).
Very interesting Mullhollander - thanks. Do you know how it works if you register at the RAV at age 54, but your unemployment continues past age 55. Is it adjusted to the increased additional claims period after 55 i.e. + additional 120 days, or does it remain on the claims period granted when initially registered at 54?
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Old 12.11.2017, 13:07
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Re: Put on part time

I didn´t know that, good to know that I could get some extra days if it happens, thanks Mullhollander
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I was thinking.. keep the part time work-from-home job, and find a 2nd part-time one somewhere else.
This would still result in a reduction in total benefits because both employers will usually apply the default deduction on 2nd pillar, reducing your overall benefits.

While this may be of secondary importance it's still an aspect to consider.
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This would still result in a reduction in total benefits because both employers will usually apply the default deduction on 2nd pillar, reducing your overall benefits.

While this may be of secondary importance it's still an aspect to consider.
In any case a far better situation than what is coming up soon.
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In any case a far better situation than what is coming up soon.
By signing a part-time contract you are effectively making yourself part-time umemployed in the eyes of the RAV. Get it in writing that they are giving you no other option but to sign that contract. Also, make sure they give you the notice period as per your contract to switch down to part-time hours.
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The question of reduction did not come from me. I only mentioned that I was considering it after they informed me they would cut me back.
Make sure that the paper work is clear: They cancelled the contract and offer a new one. Nothing "mutually agreed" or anything like it. Does not sound nice, but is absolutely vital when registering with the RAV.

If I were you:
- I'd talk to the RAV ASAP, certainly before signing anything and do what they suggest.
- look for a new job while doing your current one. Weather that new one is full or part time doesn't matter as it is pretty obvious that your current job is going down really fast...
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Re: Put on part time

First get an interim reference asap. It is a whole new contract so I would try to insist on 3 months notice. RAV insurance is gold at your age so I would not "waste" it to support your employer's restructuring. Keep the 100/ you could be in for a break soon and you will need it.
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Re: Put on part time

Not only should you insist on the regular notice period, you must. It would NOT be allowed for this change to come into effect let's say next week. This is an Änderungskündigung that comes with very specific rules that the employer needs to stick to, one of which is to terminate your current contract with the regular legal or contractual notice period while offering a new contract at the same time.

Don't let them pressure or threaten you into anything else and do not sign anything that disregards the notice period. If you feel this is the direction it is taking, get legal help immediately.

I second the comment that this is likely a temporary solution on the employer's end. Start looking for a new job asap, just in case.
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Make sure that the paper work is clear: They cancelled the contract and offer a new one. Nothing "mutually agreed" or anything like it. Does not sound nice, but is absolutely vital when registering with the RAV.

If I were you:
- I'd talk to the RAV ASAP, certainly before signing anything and do what they suggest.
- look for a new job while doing your current one. Weather that new one is full or part time doesn't matter as it is pretty obvious that your current job is going down really fast...
I second that, OP should talk to RAV asap. Important to show RAV OP is already applying for other jobs, as they may use as excuse to stop the some days claim benefits /payments.

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