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Having difficulty finding job advertisements for unskilled work.

Hey, I'm new here. Please don't shoot me if this is a noob post.
I recently moved to Switzerland with the hope of finding work teaching English. I was just let down by a language school who cancelled my application for a work permit as they couldn't even guarantee a measly 12 hrs a week. Most language schools operate on a zero hour contract basis which means they won't hire me without a work permit (as they can't guarantee the geminde they can give me the minimum hrs).
I'm now looking for anything to get my foot in the door. Websites like indeed.ch are great but unfortunately they mostly cater for specialist/engineering/ recruitment or consultant positions. They have no filter for unskilled work which is what I need as I'm still learning German and I'm not proficient enough to work in customer services.
Does anyone know of any other websites or resources that might advertise for unskilled factory or labour work? Thanks, Hop Schweiz!
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Re: Having difficulty finding job advertisements for unskilled work.

Welcome to the forum. A couple of threads to get you started.

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...fications.html

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...ch-german.html
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Re: Having difficulty finding job advertisements for unskilled work.

Do you have experience working in gastro or bar work? If so, get into Zurich and just walk into some of the larger bars and restaurants (or spend a few hours on the phone). This time of year they are usually looking for extra staff. If it's an "ex-pat" or Irish pub you can even get by with just basic German.
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Re: Having difficulty finding job advertisements for unskilled work.

Looking through jobs.ch, they have sections for everything from cleaners to CEOs.
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Re: Having difficulty finding job advertisements for unskilled work.

Your local RAV office should have a self-service portal with job ads for the whole of CH. Apart from that, there's local papers and small ads in Migros and Coop.
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Re: Having difficulty finding job advertisements for unskilled work.

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... a work permit...
Welcome to the Forum.

You'll need a work permit even in basic jobs. If you're here as a tourist you may get away with giving private English classes to people in your circle but this isn't a sustainable income model.

I'd assess your motivations for being here: no permit, no permission to remain, no future - unless you're very lucky. Sorry to report but there are hundreds of very well qualified and established English teachers in Switzerland and they're your competition.

Good luck.
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Re: Having difficulty finding job advertisements for unskilled work.

I want to move here. The work permit dilemma seems like a real chicken and egg situation. How do get a work permit without getting a contract offer versus how do you get a contract offer without a work permit. So that's sort of my life right now.
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Re: Having difficulty finding job advertisements for unskilled work.

A few ideas on searching for a job in Switzerland:

1) The Swiss job service, RAV, may be able to assist you with:

a. Discussions about the job market and suggestions about how to go about a job search.

b. Access to jobagent.ch, a good job search spider. (RAV can normally provide an access code at no-charge).

c. Job search strategy and possibly German language course support.

2) These two links are to lists of Swiss job boards:

https://www.ag.ch/media/kanton_aarga...lenboersen.pdf

https://www.biz.erz.be.ch/biz_erz/de...m_Internet.pdf

3) In addition to jobagent.ch mentioned above, these job search engines are particularly good, imho:

https://www.indeed.ch/

https://jobsuchmaschine.ch/de/

4) These two free advertising boards might be useful:

http://www.tutti.ch/ganze-schweiz/stellen-kurse

https://www.anibis.ch/de/job-job-ang...dvertlist.aspx

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Re: Having difficulty finding job advertisements for unskilled work.

Are you EU or non-EU?

Normally I would suggest temp agencies, i.e. Adecco, for unskilled work, but for non-EU that generally won't work.
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Re: Having difficulty finding job advertisements for unskilled work.

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I want to move here. The work permit dilemma seems like a real chicken and egg situation. How do get a work permit without getting a contract offer versus how do you get a contract offer without a work permit. So that's sort of my life right now.
Find a partner, live with partner. Look up here for more info about being a trainee - a little known and useful permit, limited for 18 months. In that time apply like mad, try your hand and see if there are other opportunites once you're here. I can't see of an other way around your predicament.
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Re: Having difficulty finding job advertisements for unskilled work.

Can't help you with that, but here is a job for someone with English teaching qualifications.
https://www.zhaw.ch/de/jobs/offene-s...il/BAHU4569.1/
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Re: Having difficulty finding job advertisements for unskilled work.

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How do get a work permit without getting a contract offer.
By marrying a Swiss resident.

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how do you get a contract offer without a work permit.
By not being unskilled.

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I want to move here. The work permit dilemma seems like a real chicken and egg situation. How do get a work permit without getting a contract offer versus how do you get a contract offer without a work permit. So that's sort of my life right now.
Getting an employment contract isn't too difficult for an EU national since they don't need a permit to start with. However, since the Swiss voted to curb immigration from the EU more and more emphasis has been put on employers to hire people who do already have a B or C permit - and you won't get one of those without a job.

Just wanting to move here isn't really a good enough reason to do so. Why do you want to move to Switzerland specifically? Have you just turned up to try your luck or is there a significant "other" in the equation? It does make a difference to your possibilities for a permit and the answers we can give you.

Uncle Max the trainee wouldn't apply since the OP is an EU citizen, not a non-EU one.
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Can't help you with that, but here is a job for someone with English teaching qualifications.
https://www.zhaw.ch/de/jobs/offene-s...il/BAHU4569.1/
Sorry, but no good. One of the tasks is:

"/proof-reading and translation (from German into English) of internal documents"

No good for an English speaker only.
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The work permit dilemma seems like a real chicken and egg situation. How do get a work permit without getting a contract offer versus how do you get a contract offer without a work permit.
I think that many employers in smaller and medium-sized firms are apprehensive of the paperwork that is, or that they think will be, required when employing anyone who is not already settled here (and ideally, Swiss or with a C-Permit).

Therefore, you need to be very sure that you understand which laws apply to you, and the permit procedures. There's a useful government site, for all sorts of things Swiss, and here their page about permits. https://www.ch.ch/en/working-switzerland-eu-efta/.

If you yourself are confident, and can inform any prospective employer that if he/she offers you a job that fulfils a, b and c, then the procedure to get your permit is to hand in form x with documents q and r to department z..., you will not only relieve them of their sense of administrative burden, but also be demonstrating that you are informed, alert, willing to go the extra mile, etc.
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