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Well in that case I'd say get a year or two of experience at home where the jobs are easier to come by, then start applying here. I wish you the best of luck.
I'd like to say that my comments above are in my experience and as ever, your mileage may vary. I've not been on the job market for a few years at this point and my information is more limited to anecdotal bar stool information and within my specific side of the industry.
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There are many reasons why the market is saturated, and many of them are not only specific to mechanical engineering (e.g. Strong CHF which makes exportation uncompetitive, higher salaries of labor work that make the final product or service expensive, the flux of EU workers coming to CH because of high salaries,...).

In my view the most important mechanical engineering specific reason is Switzerland (and in general Europe) energy transition: Fossil fuels will gradually be phased out, so many gas and steam turbine manufacturers have limited funding R&D activities (e.g. Alstom, Siemens,..). Cars (and even heavy-duty road trucks recently) will go electric gradually, and the electric cars will have less mechanical parts (No internal combustion engine, gearbox, Turbochargers...). This will eliminate many jobs related to mechanical engineering. In Switzerland ABB have a Turbocharger BU, but since 3-4 years ago they have frozen new openings. And of course, renewable energies (except wind) offer limited jobs for Mechanical engineers, they mostly need material or electrochemical engineers.


You seem to have no clue about mechanical engineering.

1) Regardless if the energy source is solar, thermal, hydro-power, etc., you will need to transform this electricity someway into heat: thermodynamics is a mechanical engineer job.

2) Electric cars have big weight disadvantages. To overcome these, mechanical engineers are heavily involved in researching and developing new structures and systems that will weight less. (e.g. BMW i3 & i8).

3) If you think that fossil fuels will be phased out soon with the oil at just $60, you are dreaming.
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Why employing mechanical engineers if you can hire Environmental Engineers from ETH and Energy Engineers from Fachhochschule - or some who hold both degrees- like my husband does - who already know how to handle renewable energy?
Environmental engineers do what?

Do you know that renewable energy has a ton of mechanical engineering involved, don't you?
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This really hard to believe. Lol in my country they are screaming out loud for mechanical engineers. There are way too many open vacancies. But I thought If I could earn more in Switzerland, why wouldn’t I move to Switzerland because they are underpaying every engineer in this country.

Well, I will see what I will do. Maybe switch to computerscience or electrical engineering.
Do what you like the most. You can study mechanical engineering and work with a lot of stuff later. People who get stuck their heads stuck in a single subject and are not flexible and open to learn new things are the ones who don't get jobs.
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Well in that case I'd say get a year or two of experience at home where the jobs are easier to come by, then start applying here. I wish you the best of luck.
I'd like to say that my comments above are in my experience and as ever, your mileage may vary. I've not been on the job market for a few years at this point and my information is more limited to anecdotal bar stool information and within my specific side of the industry.
The OP said he wants to get a degree in CH. What would you suggest him to get experience at home?
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Old 27.11.2017, 13:17
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The OP said he wants to get a degree in CH. What would you suggest him to get experience at home?
I was replying to the Dutch guy who says there are jobs aplenty at home. But not to worry, getting experience at home for the OP would be killing two birds with one stone.
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Do what you like the most. You can study mechanical engineering and work with a lot of stuff later. People who get stuck their heads stuck in a single subject and are not flexible and open to learn new things are the ones who don't get jobs.
Thank you for your objections!

I’m very flexible, and with mechanical engineering you can do a masters in robotics or mechatronics. Those fields are also involved with some computer science and electrical engineering

I like mechanical engineering the most, so thank you for your encouragements because the other replies were rather demoralizing...
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You seem to have no clue about mechanical engineering.

1) Regardless if the energy source is solar, thermal, hydro-power, etc., you will need to transform this electricity someway into heat: thermodynamics is a mechanical engineer job.

2) Electric cars have big weight disadvantages. To overcome these, mechanical engineers are heavily involved in researching and developing new structures and systems that will weight less. (e.g. BMW i3 & i8).

3) If you think that fossil fuels will be phased out soon with the oil at just $60, you are dreaming.
I know very well what I have studied, and I know exactly what is the market situation in CH. For your information:

1) solar and wind are directly converting energy into electricity. There is no intermediate. Whereas fossil and nuclear power plants first convert it to thermal and then to electricity.

2) There will be still some limited research on electric cars from the mechanical point of view(design of chassis and suspension system,...) but it is nothing compared to the jobs lost in Internal combustion engines, powertrain, after treatment, thermal management, cooling system, turbocharging,...

3)Gradual phase-out of nuclear and reduction of fossil fuel to a limited amount, is what is decided for Switzerland energy transition by SFOE:

http://www.bfe.admin.ch/themen/00526...ssier_id=06421

Next time if you don't know a subject well enough ask the experts or do some research.
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Old 28.11.2017, 18:40
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Re: Engineering Job market

My advice is go for a broad engineering course with a good foundation in the basics. Beware of all the fashionable and narrow stuff. A broad and generalist course will give you a flexible start and a lot of choice in your career. Most employers are looking for problem solving skills rather than expert (and quickly dated) knowledge in a very narrow field. There is no serious unemployment in any broad branch of engineering and never will be. So pick the course that appeals to you most, not the one that you think might or might not bring home the highest salary. If you do what you genuinely like you will do it with more passion and thus produce better results and that will further your salary and career more than any preemptive salary speculation will.

Take it from an old geezer who's been there and done exactly that.
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My advice is go for a broad engineering course with a good foundation in the basics. Beware of all the fashionable and narrow stuff. A broad and generalist course will give you a flexible start and a lot of choice in your career. Most employers are looking for problem solving skills rather than expert (and quickly dated) knowledge in a very narrow field. There is no serious unemployment in any broad branch of engineering and never will be. So pick the course that appeals to you most, not the one that you think might or might not bring home the highest salary. If you do what you genuinely like you will do it with more passion and thus produce better results and that will further your salary and career more than any preemptive salary speculation will.

Take it from an old geezer who's been there and done exactly that.
My field is mechanical engineering with some electrical engineering courses and mathematical finance. A master's degree in mechanical engineering from ETH Zurich would be the most logical approach, but there is more...

Consecutive master's degree:
Master Mechanical Engineering
Master Computational Science & Engineering
Master Materials science

Specialised master's degree:
Master Robotics, Systems & Control ----> This one would be my first choice,

The Master in Robotics, Systems & Control provides an outstanding education at the interface between mechanical and electrical engineering, and computer science.

And maybe I could follow some additinal artificial intelligence courses.
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I know very well what I have studied, and I know exactly what is the market situation in CH. For your information:

1) solar and wind are directly converting energy into electricity. There is no intermediate. Whereas fossil and nuclear power plants first convert it to thermal and then to electricity.

2) There will be still some limited research on electric cars from the mechanical point of view(design of chassis and suspension system,...) but it is nothing compared to the jobs lost in Internal combustion engines, powertrain, after treatment, thermal management, cooling system, turbocharging,...


Next time if you don't know a subject well enough ask the experts or do some research.
Well as an expert I would like you to explain how wind is converted directly into energy without the use of any form of powertrain, gearbox or turbine. Is it simply a matter of labelling a field a wind farm and waiting for them electric pixies to come to roost? I still don't understand why when I hold my charger up on a windy day it doesn't charge my phone.
Engineering fields are complementary, just as aircraft are not only designed by aero engineers, electric cars still need someone to design the chunky bits between the sparky bits, and then someone else to get them bits to talk to each other.
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Why employing mechanical engineers if you can hire Environmental Engineers from ETH and Energy Engineers from Fachhochschule - or some who hold both degrees- like my husband does - who already know how to handle renewable energy?[/QUOTE]


Because Mechanical Engineering includes both... it has wide broader study compare to other specific engineering diciplines. Anyway they are all made out from traditional Engineering, Mechanical and Electrical Engineering
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Long story short, traditional engineering i.e. Mechanical and/or Electrical will never dissapear. As being one of them already more than 20 years, I can tell you that study one of a traditional engineering, be flexible and open to learn new things and catch the trends on time. You will never be unemployed in this world.
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I know very well what I have studied, and I know exactly what is the market situation in CH. For your information:

1) solar and wind are directly converting energy into electricity. There is no intermediate. Whereas fossil and nuclear power plants first convert it to thermal and then to electricity.

2) There will be still some limited research on electric cars from the mechanical point of view(design of chassis and suspension system,...) but it is nothing compared to the jobs lost in Internal combustion engines, powertrain, after treatment, thermal management, cooling system, turbocharging,...

3)Gradual phase-out of nuclear and reduction of fossil fuel to a limited amount, is what is decided for Switzerland energy transition by SFOE:

http://www.bfe.admin.ch/themen/00526...ssier_id=06421

Next time if you don't know a subject well enough ask the experts or do some research.
Gez!

First of all, there is no car manufactures in CH, so I don't know how electrical cars will influence the job market here.

1) You don't understand about it or you didn't read it properly: after you have electricity from solar or wind, you will use part of this energy to HEAT something: thermodynamics is a mechanical engineer job. Who calculates the water heating equipment?

2) Again, you seem not to know much about cars. You will remove the internal combustion motor to use an electrical one, but you need a gearbox to attach to that, brakes, suspension, and a structure to hold it everything together. Who works on carbon fiber structures such as that of the BMW i3, electrical engineers?

3) 60% of the Swiss energy matrix comes from hydro-power. Who designs the turbines?

4) Who designs the wind turbines?
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1) solar and wind are directly converting energy into electricity. There is no intermediate.[...]
Next time if you don't know a subject well enough ask the experts or do some research.
How wind is directly converted into electricity was demonstrated by Benjamin Franklin around 1752. Practical harvesters have yet to be invented to profit from this direct conversion though...
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Well as an expert I would like you to explain how wind is converted directly into energy without the use of any form of powertrain, gearbox or turbine. Is it simply a matter of labelling a field a wind farm and waiting for them electric pixies to come to roost? I still don't understand why when I hold my charger up on a windy day it doesn't charge my phone.
Engineering fields are complementary, just as aircraft are not only designed by aero engineers, electric cars still need someone to design the chunky bits between the sparky bits, and then someone else to get them bits to talk to each other.
1. Of course in a wind turbine, you need rotor, gearbox, clutch, ... I said this in response to claim that it needs to be converted to heat.

2. I said that electric cars have less mechanical parts.
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Gez!

First of all, there is no car manufactures in CH, so I don't know how electrical cars will influence the job market here.
There is no major car manufacturing, but there is automobile engineering.

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Well as an expert I would like you to explain how wind is converted directly into energy without the use of any form of powertrain, gearbox or turbine. Is it simply a matter of labelling a field a wind farm and waiting for them electric pixies to come to roost? I still don't understand why when I hold my charger up on a windy day it doesn't charge my phone.
There is no intermediate, wind causes movement which generates electricity, as simple as that. With coil and nuclear and such you first need heat, then steam, and then by the use of a turbine (the movement) you can produce electricity.
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There is no intermediate, wind causes movement which generates electricity, as simple as that. With coil and nuclear and such you first need heat, then steam, and then by the use of a turbine (the movement) you can produce electricity.
It's the movement part that I see as the intermediate, what makes it move isn't as important the movement itself. I will admit to knowing nothing about solar though.
Anyway, I don't want to come off as a PITA, I'm just sick of people colouring things black and white when Electrical and Mechanical should live in a lovely utopia of cooperation and blame everything on marketing.
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is it just me or that people are thinking that at 18 one thinks about job placement and decides a major to pursue based on that???
what happens to explore and find out what interests you and maybe you will INVENT something the world hasn't seen? Arent the 18 yos meant for the future???

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