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R&D in AI and ML in Switzerland is only Google really ,

Swisscom may have something. All other places are really software engineering or consulting.

At Google you could prob start at around 140k some senior senior SE there will get 180k+
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140k is the average or maximum for a starting graduate in Google.
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The art of getting a PhD is delegating the research task to others.

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Feeling snarky today, sorry, but... how is it one can obtain a PhD and not manage to conduct basic research up front before posting a vague question like this?
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The art of getting a PhD is delegating the research task to others.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I already researched the salary range on glassdoor and payscale for this position but I wanted some feedback from experienced people on this forum. So, its not a task delegation but just data aggregation for more accurate analysis i would say.
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Old 14.01.2018, 22:57
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Re: Salary in Zurich

I just looked: if you go to Apple's corporate website and search for jobs with the keyword "Machine Learning" - they have a staggering 331 jobs worldwide (of which over 300 are in the US, of which most are in the Santa Clara Valley, it seems).

That's insane.

jobs.ch has over 300 jobs, too (a lot at SRF - would wait until after the referendum, if I were you...).

Seems almost everybody has drunken the ML/AI Kool Aid and wants to garnish his products with the ML/AI moniker.

If you're at the Big G or AAPL, you're only going to be a very, very small cog in a very large wheel. Smaller companies may offer you more flexibility in shaping a product or the way ML/AI is applied to the product, for less pay - if that is what you want.

My brother works in AI/ML research (in France) and he says most ML-work at companies is pretty boring, from a research point of view.
But damn, AI/ML is hot shit these days.
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Thanks!
140k is the average or maximum for a starting graduate in Google.
It really depends for what position you apply, the interview process requires a lot of preparation and if you pass it, I am sure you can ask for what you deserve
Outside Google, glassdoor is pretty accurate.
Interesting jobs are on smaller companies which won't be able to pay much, if you want maximize salary and sell your soul, you may need to go consulting for Banks, and you may get 200k+ after a couple of years of networking
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Re: Salary in Zurich

For accurate Swiss salary data I suggest https://www.gate.bfs.admin.ch/salari...l#/calculation

Although dated it's usully pretty accurate

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Re: Salary in Zurich

Most of the ML/AI jobs out there on the market are as simple as web developer jobs. It's all about the hype of using these technologies to solve problems but mostly by using existing frameworks. This does not require PhD, there's no research in it. On the other side of the mountain there are those who really do research in ML but to get such job you really have to have considerable experience. I actually wonder how much jobs fit the middle, i.e. entry-middle level research jobs in ML/AI. Seems to me that this space is void.
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Re: Salary in Zurich

You can also go to glassdoor.com and search for salary data there, based on job role, company, city, and country. As the data is volunteered by actual employees, I find it to be a good indicator.
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Re: Salary in Zurich

If you have been in the same boy scouts group as the CFO: 250K, otherwise 80-120K - depending on experience.
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Re: Salary in Zurich

$250k is not so unreasonable for ordinary engineers at large Silicon Valley companies, no need to be banging your CEO or whatever for this. We're talking about total comp though - including stock compensation, which gets disproportionately higher in the higher end
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$450k
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$250k is not so unreasonable for ordinary engineers at large Silicon Valley companies, no need to be banging your CEO or whatever for this. We're talking about total comp though - including stock compensation, which gets disproportionately higher in the higher end

I assume, these people get options or RSUs that they can buy shares from at some later day, with a discount - if they are still within the company?
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Yes, typically shares are locked for some time, vesting terms vary by company. There's no "buy" per se. You get the stock or option eventually, pay taxes on it as income and do whatever you want with it. There may not even be a proper market to buy from or sell to in case the company is still private e.g. über or airbnb in which case you're stuck until an IPO or have to accept whatever deal the company's offering you if you want out.
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Thanks for your replies!
Since I am a PhD, so I did search on google before posting here but the salaries on glassdoor or payscale are sometimes pretty biased towards the lower side. So, i wanted to get some accurate estimates based on experienced people.
I am astonished to know that ETH doesn't supply this information to you. In the USA any good university has a career office that will provide this info, even by direct calling alumni or HR representatives from companies.
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Re: Salary in Zurich

You can get some numbers from ETH alumni events or from AVETH. But really, what does your network say? That's the first place to ask. Unfortunately too many students get lost in such petty things as studying and publication and, of all things, coding during their PhD when they should only be networking. Those students who care about salaries, I mean .

Poverty line is the fresh postdoc's salary: 86'300 for 2017 (it's no secret). Aim accordingly. Whatever you demand, you will need to justify based on your individual capabilities, skills and mindset.

Google pays differently for the same job [description] depending on individual performance, whatever that means to them. Surely many others do so too.
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70k approx.


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Hello everyone,

I am a PhD graduate in Computer Science (CS) from ETH Zurich. I am having some job interviews. I would like to know the salary range for PhD CS graduates in Zurich so that I can ask for the proper salary?

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Re: Salary in Zurich

Did the topic starter even bother passing by ETH career center during his PhD? Or any other career event?

https://i.imgur.com/y7ZmWb8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Agw5fxX.jpg

According to this one, fresh IT with a Master's can have 87k. Put ca. 10-15k on top of that for having a PhD and you will get a realistic starting salary.

Once again, it will vary depending on the company, role and how well your qualifications fit the role.
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As I mentioned in an earlier post, I already researched the salary range on glassdoor and payscale for this position but I wanted some feedback from experienced people on this forum. So, its not a task delegation but just data aggregation for more accurate analysis i would say.
Quite frankly that is the amount of research I would expect in a highschool essay, not a PhD making career decisions.
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Quite frankly that is the amount of research I would expect in a highschool essay, not a PhD making career decisions.
I think that's the actual level of PhDs these days... Finished ETH myself, seen lots of weirdos and infantile people not capable of managing their own lifes, who have the ambition to become a "highly educated elite" And that's ETH, supposedly best of ze best... I don't want to even try to imagine what an average PhD in a decent Uni looks like...

p.s. I don't mean this to the TS, I don't know him. Just saying.
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Re: Salary in Zurich

I would expect 90k to be the minimum for any PhD graduate in a fairly technical field, based on my colleagues who graduated from biomedical engineering. And that would be a fairly low number, unless the benefits are good or there are yearly bonuses for example. For CS I can't say specifically, of course, but I would not go as low as the 70k that some people here have suggested, unless it's in a start-up perhaps that you're very, very passionate about and where you expect it to increase if you are successful.
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