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Re: Salary in Zurich

depending how relevant your thesis / publications are
I would say 120-140k band for banks / swisscom etc.
ibm abb will be on the lower end. startups might offer 100-120k range
Google 150k+
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Re: Salary in Zurich

Thanks a lot for your replies!
So, from the replies, it seems that the salary varies between 120k-140k and most of the companies pay towards the lower end. Google only pays more than that range among the IT companies.
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Re: Salary in Zurich

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So, the summary of answers looks as follows, throwing away obviously trolling like 250 or 70 grand and sarcastic answers:

120k
120k
70-100k
150-200k
96-110k
94-97k
140k (google)
80-120k
250k
450k
>86.3k
70k
97-102k
>90k
100-140k

Which averages as 104k.

How the OP comes to the average low of 120k from these answers I don't know. Probably machine learning
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Old 20.01.2018, 23:27
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So, the summary of answers looks as follows, throwing away obviously trolling like 250 or 70 grand and sarcastic answers:

120k
120k
70-100k
150-200k
96-110k
94-97k
140k (google)
80-120k
250k
450k
>86.3k
70k
97-102k
>90k
100-140k

Which averages as 104k.

How the OP comes to the average low of 120k from these answers I don't know. Probably machine learning
So apparently you can use Excel.
What is your input then to OP´s question?
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So apparently you can use Excel.
What is your input then to OP´s question?
I actually used Windows calculator + some computing power in my head

Use search or scroll options, I provided the data from the ETH career center book.
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Re: Salary in Zurich

I know a case where the employee has a ETH degree and gets 70k. Probably women earn less here in Swiss.


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So, the summary of answers looks as follows, throwing away obviously trolling like 250 or 70 grand and sarcastic answers:

120k
120k
70-100k
150-200k
96-110k
94-97k
140k (google)
80-120k
250k
450k
>86.3k
70k
97-102k
>90k
100-140k

Which averages as 104k.

How the OP comes to the average low of 120k from these answers I don't know. Probably machine learning
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Swiss tends to pay really low..

Or do you mean Switzerland?
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depending how relevant your thesis / publications are
I would say 120-140k band for banks / swisscom etc.
ibm abb will be on the lower end. startups might offer 100-120k range
Google 150k+
Really? 150k google? for junior position or ?
how much do seniors earn there
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Re: Salary in Zurich

Most don't pay towards the lower end if they are the majority they define the market. Maybe your expectations were too high.
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Remember Googler tends to say salary as a package as American do. the 150CHF is mostly likely a package salary rather than base.
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For working as a cleaner maybe

Don't sell yourself for cheap. Silicon Valley companies start new grads at $150-200k total comp. If you can't find a comparable offer here, pack your stuff and a buy one way ticket to California where your talent is truly appreciated
Only a select few get those kinds of pay rates from Google, Facebook, and Apple in Silicon Valley.

Lots of bottomfishing/lowballing is going on, with extreme examples like these currently on Craigslist:

Outside of Portland, Oregon in Corvallis (home of Oregon State U) for a Statistics Subject Matter Expert with graduate degree -- $20-25/hr (up from $20 six weeks ago):

https://corvallis.craigslist.org/sof...464398005.html

In West Palm Beach, four miles from our orange-haired clown/POTUS place Mara Lago resort for a SWE -- $24/hour:

http://jobs.hkaa.com/index.smpl?arg=...899&rid=Indeed

In San Antonio, Texas for a Firmware Engineer -- $19.79 to $22.91/hr just posted:

https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=73...b072952f68dceb

I've recently seen postings offering as little as $38K/year in Palo Alto, where a studio apartment will cost you about $3,500/month (more than your gross monthly pay!).

As far as making a killing with stock options, not likely:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...cid=spartanntp

Why is this happening (at least in the US)? More than a million kids from India here on H-1B visas, for which "specialized knowledge" is required. Someone please tell me how they acquired all this knowledge at the tender median age of 25, and how that trumps my academic credentials and 30 years! Because they'll work for cheap as "exempt," which means they get not a penny for anything after 40 hours; that's why the lights are on all night in Redmond WA (home of MSFT) and in Amazon's buildings in Seattle.

I have BSEE+MSEE degrees from MIT and 30 years of experience and have been doing limited-resource/bare metal/low power microcontroller product development for the past eight years.

Employers jaws drop these days when I ask for $75/hour -- corp-to-corp, so I pay all the payroll taxes and buy my own near-$1,000/month Obamacare medical insurance with $7,000 deductible, eat the housing costs when the job is away from home, which is most of the time.

My last employer ran out of cash three months ago (stiffing me for $14K) after I re-engineered his IoT infrastructure sensor, both hardware and software, reducing power consumption by 99.3% to increase battery life from 2-3 weeks to 5-10 years. I'm spending 40+ hours/week looking for something new. Looking for a job IS a job, and the paychecks (zero) are nothing to write home about.
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Only a select few get those kinds of pay rates from Google, Facebook, and Apple in Silicon Valley.
Correction: everyone (by which I mean FTEs) gets that kind of pay from these select few companies. Ask around and try to interview at some of them, and not as a contractor, for a change from these low paying on and off gigs you describe. Less stressful too and you get your 40+ hours/week from your job search back

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Lots of bottomfishing/lowballing is going on, with extreme examples like these currently on Craigslist:
Well sure if you just by sort salary ascending which noone does. FANG do their own share of it too to be fair, there's a big difference in how they treat FTEs and temps/contractors. Guess what color GOOG uses for their contractor badges?

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As far as making a killing with stock options, not likely:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...cid=spartanntp
Conclusion: don't work for startups if you're not gambler. They got exactly what they signed up for. All or nothing

Stocks options from established respectable companies won't make you a billionaire, but you can and should essentially treat them as a nice (but variable) extension to your regular salary. The higher you're in the company, the larger - it's free money for the company, shareholders pay

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in Palo Alto, where a studio apartment will cost you about $3,500/month (more than your gross monthly pay!).
Doesn't have to stop you from trying - apparently you can and some people do just live in an RV in your employer's parking lot these days in the US.

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I have BSEE+MSEE degrees from MIT and 30 years of experience and have been doing limited-resource/bare metal/low power microcontroller product development for the past eight years.
Seems like a somewhat underpaying field in general at the moment if you'd trust surveys like https://insights.stackoverflow.com/s...developer-type. These days it's hip to do AI/ML/DS/stats to get the best bang for your time

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Only a select few get those kinds of pay rates from Google, Facebook, and Apple in Silicon Valley.

Lots of bottomfishing/lowballing is going on, with extreme examples like these currently on Craigslist:

Outside of Portland, Oregon in Corvallis (home of Oregon State U) for a Statistics Subject Matter Expert with graduate degree -- $20-25/hr (up from $20 six weeks ago):

https://corvallis.craigslist.org/sof...464398005.html

In West Palm Beach, four miles from our orange-haired clown/POTUS place Mara Lago resort for a SWE -- $24/hour:

http://jobs.hkaa.com/index.smpl?arg=...899&rid=Indeed

In San Antonio, Texas for a Firmware Engineer -- $19.79 to $22.91/hr just posted:

https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=73...b072952f68dceb

I've recently seen postings offering as little as $38K/year in Palo Alto, where a studio apartment will cost you about $3,500/month (more than your gross monthly pay!).

As far as making a killing with stock options, not likely:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...cid=spartanntp

Why is this happening (at least in the US)? More than a million kids from India here on H-1B visas, for which "specialized knowledge" is required. Someone please tell me how they acquired all this knowledge at the tender median age of 25, and how that trumps my academic credentials and 30 years! Because they'll work for cheap as "exempt," which means they get not a penny for anything after 40 hours; that's why the lights are on all night in Redmond WA (home of MSFT) and in Amazon's buildings in Seattle.

I have BSEE+MSEE degrees from MIT and 30 years of experience and have been doing limited-resource/bare metal/low power microcontroller product development for the past eight years.

Employers jaws drop these days when I ask for $75/hour -- corp-to-corp, so I pay all the payroll taxes and buy my own near-$1,000/month Obamacare medical insurance with $7,000 deductible, eat the housing costs when the job is away from home, which is most of the time.

My last employer ran out of cash three months ago (stiffing me for $14K) after I re-engineered his IoT infrastructure sensor, both hardware and software, reducing power consumption by 99.3% to increase battery life from 2-3 weeks to 5-10 years. I'm spending 40+ hours/week looking for something new. Looking for a job IS a job, and the paychecks (zero) are nothing to write home about.
Sounds like you got stuck in time...
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Having a PhD means you're hired at Level 4 (SWE III) at Google. Total compensation can be much higher than the numbers quoted in this thread (north of 200k) and base salary alone should get you about 150k CHF/yr. Definitely worth a try if you think you can make it through their interviews.
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Having a PhD means you're hired at Level 4 (SWE III) at Google. Total compensation can be much higher than the numbers quoted in this thread (north of 200k) and base salary alone should get you about 150k CHF/yr. Definitely worth a try if you think you can make it through their interviews.

No wonder Zurich is rolling out the red-carpet for Big G.
With these kinds of salaries, there's a substantial amount of taxes to be paid, contributions to the social system etc.pp.
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depending how relevant your thesis / publications are
I would say 120-140k band for banks / swisscom etc.
ibm abb will be on the lower end. startups might offer 100-120k range
Google 150k+
1. Nobody pays you 120-140k in Swisscom or a bank unless you have relevant work experience. A PhD does not count as work, sorry.

2. I have not met a startup paying that sort of salary either. Most try to pull the "we pay you 50k and then some awesome stock options because we don-t make money yet but surely will" trick...

3. I don-t deny that an experienced specialist at Google can make 150k. But not a PhD Grad fresh from ETH.

4. The other comment that consulting to banks can earn you 200k: Dont fall into the trap to compare freelancer rates with permanent salaries... the money might look that much, but not after pension fund, unpaid vacations and what not... compare apples with apples.

Bottom line> I hate to bring it, but I doubt a PhD is "worth it" in terms of salary in CS. You wont get much more than a masters graduate unless you find that 100% job where the employer is willing to pay for your experience. They should tell you so at school before you start the program... on the upside are there at the moment loads of jobs available for a person with your background. Something I cant say was true during the financial crisis.
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i have hired a couple of people from zurich with only a couple of years experience and no phd. they made about 120 there. i wouldn't settle for less than that if i was you. 120 is definitely doable if not a little more.
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1. Nobody pays you 120-140k in Swisscom or a bank unless you have relevant work experience. A PhD does not count as work, sorry.

2. I have not met a startup paying that sort of salary either. Most try to pull the "we pay you 50k and then some awesome stock options because we don-t make money yet but surely will" trick...

3. I don-t deny that an experienced specialist at Google can make 150k. But not a PhD Grad fresh from ETH.

4. The other comment that consulting to banks can earn you 200k: Dont fall into the trap to compare freelancer rates with permanent salaries... the money might look that much, but not after pension fund, unpaid vacations and what not... compare apples with apples.

Bottom line> I hate to bring it, but I doubt a PhD is "worth it" in terms of salary in CS. You wont get much more than a masters graduate unless you find that 100% job where the employer is willing to pay for your experience. They should tell you so at school before you start the program... on the upside are there at the moment loads of jobs available for a person with your background. Something I cant say was true during the financial crisis.
Sorry but you don't know the job market in management consulting. BCG, McKinsey, etc., in Zürich pay 140k base salary for fresh MBAs (associate level). With bonus and benefits it does reach 200k. By the way, I never heard of McKinsey hiring freelancer consultants to work on strategy projects.

Fresh PhDs are somewhat a minority in consulting but I do know a couple of them who got into the associate level right after the PhD.
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Sorry but you don't know the job market in management consulting. BCG, McKinsey, etc., in Zürich pay 140k base salary for fresh MBAs (associate level). With bonus and benefits it does reach 200k. By the way, I never heard of McKinsey hiring freelancer consultants to work on strategy projects.

Fresh PhDs are somewhat a minority in consulting but I do know a couple of them who got into the associate level right after the PhD.
But the OP 1) does not have an MBA from a top school that would make him employable by these sort of consultancies and 2) isnt looking to work in management consulting. So you are as usually missing the point. What a management consultant earns is about as irrelelvant to the thread as the question what a cleaner earns.

He is looking for work in the higher end of IT and honestly - I think I know that particular market in Zurich better than you. Including the rates you make as an IT person in a Zurich bank.
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