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Changing Job or Staying - need advice...

Good Morning All,

I need help in a job related matter and I do hope that someone might point me into the right direction.

So, the situation is that I got a job offer for a role that sounds quite attractive. But I’m very unsure whether I should really move on or not. I have already discussed this with a couple of very close friends and I am still undetermined, so I’m keen to get an opinion from a more neutral source. Would you know of any sort of counsellor in Zurich who I might contact for such a discussion?

Here’s a brief summary of my situation – sorry in advance, if I bore anyone with my story… ;-)

I moved to CH a couple of years ago (I moved countries a few times, so I changed role quite a few times in the last 15 years). The company I currently work for (on a permanent contract) is a good one, colleagues are super-friendly, the only downside is that I worked in an extremely chaotic project with far too many turbulences which we luckily finished (and even successfully) recently – I was waiting for that day for a very, very long time... Since management was very happy with me, they already assigned the next project to me; I’m worried that I might end up in the same stressful situation but I could learn a lot in that new project. At the same time I was offered a role from another good company which however, has the reputation of being tough but it sounds to be a more comfortable role with daily routine but that role arose out of a restructuring, so again, not sure how cosy that role will indeed be. Also, they offer 15k p.a. more but I’m not even sure whether it is really worth moving job for that amount of money when I already earn let’s say 120k (and there's a probability of a small salary increase in my current role anyway)? The reason why I’m so hesitant is that I regretted changing job already twice in the past and I prefer a more stable future career wise. So when I accepted my current role I really aimed for a long-term role.

There are many more criteria to consider but obviously I don’t want to write too much here. So, I’d be very grateful to know how you would proceed when faced with that question… ? Maybe anyone of you is even experienced in that field and offers some sort of counselling service – please let me know.

Many thanks in advance !
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Re: Changing Job or Staying - need advice...

Hi, I would stay at your current job. You say you like the people there and that is something very important. Stress and chaos are almost everywhere. I would try to learn a different approach to it to manage it better this time around and in the future.


Changing is not always the solution.


Good luck!
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Old 20.01.2018, 09:48
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Re: Changing Job or Staying - need advice...

How did you come across the new opportunity? Did you seek it out? Did a recruiter just happen to call you one day?
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Re: Changing Job or Staying - need advice...

For such a small pay increase, better the devil you know.
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Old 20.01.2018, 09:55
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Re: Changing Job or Staying - need advice...

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I prefer a more stable future career wise. So when I accepted my current role I really aimed for a long-term role.
Can any job be considered stable these days?

Change seems to be the only constant in today's working world. The only future one can count on today is the notice period in your contract.

A company can change overnight. The company may decide on a 'new direction' tomorrow, plans made yesterday can easily be tossed out the window.

In today's - and tomorrow's - labor market I wouldn't trade off job satisfaction (which could include money, nature of work, opportunity for advancement, day to day environment) for stability.

Good luck with your decision.
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Re: Changing Job or Staying - need advice...

A stable job can become a mess tomorrow and vice-versa.

Nowadays I wouldn't worry too much about the frequency of changing jobs, as soon as you show achievement and progression in your CV.
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Re: Changing Job or Staying - need advice...

I would look at it like at a game of Chess or even only simple Solitaire: After every move, some aspect of your position should be better than before the move. So after many moves, many aspects of your live should have improved. If you can not make out a clear improvement for this particular move, it's not worth it.

But then, your "opponent" has moves, too...
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Old 20.01.2018, 11:23
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Re: Changing Job or Staying - need advice...

Sorry OP, also don't know of any counselling services for experienced professionals.
Meloncollie is right - flexibility is the key in many industries.

I'd never advise my daughter to go into banking, for example, and have the impression that there are many, many personally rewarding careers out there.
I also never cared about the salary (but just continued to get promoted none-the-less). It didn't bring me any joy.

Am not sure how a counselling service could help, but if you hear about an effective one, then please let me know!
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Re: Changing Job or Staying - need advice...

Oh wow - thanks for all your replies. They are all very helpful. Apologies that I can't like your posts (yet).

Here my reply to your comments:

Occasionally I'm being approached by recruiters via LinkedIn. Most of the time I decline but in this case I was happy with my CV to be forwarded. I was not actively looking but given I'm not 100% happy in my current role I was curious & wanted to give it a go. The new role would not be project related, hence things there are certainly a bit better controlled (you would think) and that's what attracted me most...

Yes, my colleagues at my current company are very helpful & friendly but that's the impression that I got from the new company too (but tbh I haven't met the whole team & all colleagues that I need to work with).

Good point though on changing my approach & attitude to the mess that I frequently come across at work. Maybe it is indeed something that I can get used to and it would definitely help.

I know both companies fairly well and I would say one of them is definitely more prone to changes than the other but then again, both companies have made people redundant in the past due to various reasons including restructurings. So, you're right, nothing I can count on.

But when I look at the aspects of progression and opportunity for advancement I must admit that my current role offers slightly more and the better advantages. As I still have many, many years to work, maybe that is the aspect that I should take more seriously into consideration.

Thanks again to all of you - I still have a few days to think about it; we shall see. ;-) In any case, going through the interview process is definitely a good exercise - it makes you think about what you really want...
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Re: Changing Job or Staying - need advice...

In my experience companies rarely change and if you found your current project stressful and chaotic so will be your next one. Even so now that you proved they should go to you for everything, you'll be the same point of contact next time. Sure, you can try to change your approach but then people will find it dis-genuine that you are not performing as well as before and might mistaken it for slacking off.

A new challenge is always scary, why leave what you know? NBbody guarantees your current role will continue to offer you the satisfaction you are seeking. Would you be ok for another 2 years in chaos mode?

Switching gears for a while is very helpful. Not only you get to see other places and try different things, you get a chance to reset your work mode. If you start there by jumping into everything you see, soon you'll be thrown as much work as you can handle. If you take it easy and try to slowly get to know things, you'll ease into it more gradually.

A 15k salary bump is not insignificant in CH. I found that getting pay raises is extremely difficult here and could take you 2-3 years to get that in your current role but you didn't mention if bonuses are good where you are vs where the new role is.

Only you can tell the signs if where you are could get worse or not, I don't think you'd be interviewing if you really liked where you are.

Also, think about burning bridges with a company that spent all that time to interview you and make an offer only for you to change your mind. You surely cannot go back there soon and apply again and Switzerland is a really small place and everyone knows each other. Especially Zurich.

Weigh everything and decide. Good luck.
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Re: Changing Job or Staying - need advice...

I was in a similar situation 5 years ago but in a different profession, but my reasons for moving may also help with your decision making:-

1. New challenge, New colleagues and New company, and this is good to fight intellectual boredom, not that I had nothing to do
2. In the current labour market and depending on your profession, you should not stay in your current role more than 3-5 years otherwise it shows you’re not progressing.
3. More money and new responsibilities will add value to your CV and not to mention new networking opportunities.
4. By moving to another company and keeping good relations with your old one gives you the opportunity to hedge your bets and potentially leaves the door open to come back to your old company.
5. Nothing is guaranteed in your current job and things can turn for the worse at any time.

I should also add that I discover through colleague that my old position with my former employer has just recently been eliminated.
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I was in a similar situation 5 years ago but in a different profession, but my reasons for moving may also help with your decision making:-

1. New challenge, New colleagues and New company, and this is good to fight intellectual boredom, not that I had nothing to do
2. In the current labour market and depending on your profession, you should not stay in your current role more than 3-5 years otherwise it shows you’re not progressing.
3. More money and new responsibilities will add value to your CV and not to mention new networking opportunities.
4. By moving to another company and keeping good relations with your old one gives you the opportunity to hedge your bets and potentially leaves the door open to come back to your old company.
5. Nothing is guaranteed in your current job and things can turn for the worse at any time.

I should also add that I discover through colleague that my old position with my former employer has just recently been eliminated.
Very well put.
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Re: Changing Job or Staying - need advice...

Complete the interview process then make your decision at the end if you are offered the new job.

Not only will you get invaluable interview experience, you'll also find out more about the new company after meeting them a few times. At the end I'm sure the correct decision for you will be obvious.

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Re: Changing Job or Staying - need advice...

Don't forget intrinsic motivation. You appear to really like it where you are, and the job appears interesting with the opportunity to learn so motivation is good.

You've successfully completed a chaotic project and assigned a new one. That's a good time to discuss a pay increase. Use the offer as additional leverage. Not sure if it's good to mention how much more you'd get there as the counteroffer, if any, will be only a portion of that.

Stay and argue for a pay increase.
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Re: Changing Job or Staying - need advice...

Again, I really appreciate all your replies! Thanks so much and apologies for not being able to like your posts.

Having regretted a change in company already twice in the past is not fun - so, that aspect definitely plays a key role in my decision too. So, somehow it's good to read affirmation that sticking to the 'devil' may not be such a bad idea after all even if there is another / better opportunity out there.

I'm really tempted to ask the two firms whether I can work 50% in both roles for a few months and then make a decision... lol
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Chaotic projects? You might find this book may help clarify whether to stay or not. (But it's a good read even if it doesn't)
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