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Bullsheet. For consulting companies take undergraduates as analysts but PhDs come in at associate level.
Thanks Capo, do you have specific information about market access consultancy?
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That's always a good sign. I would go for 12000K min if you are confident about success!
12 million? Consultants....
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12 million? Consultants....

Guys, I'm aware of your boredom while you're trying to pass the remaining minutes of your work day feeling sorry for being underpaid

Yet, please keep the thread clean for useful replies and go have a stroll or take a chill pill and work on your resumes
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12 million? Consultants....
hahaha you can see how my attention to detail puts me in the category of consults with numerous degrees and extensive experience, yet bordering around the poverty line for income :P
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Guys, I'm aware of your boredom while you're trying to pass the remaining minutes of your work day feeling sorry for being underpaid

Yet, please keep the thread clean for useful replies and go have a stroll or take a chill pill and work on your resumes
Whoa.. why don't you take the chill pill yourself? I was just having a giggle and was about to give you some pointers as to where the pharm companies set compensation levels for that job - as that happens to be what I do for living - but never mind, I will go for a stroll instead... thanks for the advice.
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Whoa.. why don't you take the chill pill yourself? I was just having a giggle and was about to give you some pointers as to where the pharm companies set compensation levels for that job - as that happens to be what I do for living - but never mind, I will go for a stroll instead... thanks for the advice.
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Whoa.. why don't you take the chill pill yourself? I was just having a giggle and was about to give you some pointers as to where the pharm companies set compensation levels for that job - as that happens to be what I do for living - but never mind, I will go for a stroll instead... thanks for the advice.
you might have been innocent in the thread but I was disappointed that even people who are labelled "forum legend" are spamming the thread with no useful answer .....
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Re: Salary for health economics/market access consultant - pharmacist with a PhD

Yes, these days consulting companies like McK or pwc hire freshies after they complete their degrees. The thing is to get such a position you should be top 1-2% of the breed. You think you are?

Also, as far as I know, in consulting with a phd, entering as an associate, you can expect smth like 8-10k (brutto), if you sell yourself right.
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Yes, these days consulting companies like McK or pwc hire freshies after they complete their degrees. The thing is to get such a position you should be top 1-2% of the breed. You think you are?

Also, as far as I know, in consulting with a phd, entering as an associate, you can expect smth like 8-10k (brutto), if you sell yourself right.
Thanks LifeStrain .... If you have more specific info about health economics/market access consultancy, that would be great!
So, I think I will contact the HR at McKinsey and if they tell me I am not in the top 1%, I will hire somebody to take hostage all of those in the upper percentiles until I am in the top 1%
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Thanks LifeStrain .... If you have more specific info about health economics/market access consultancy, that would be great!
So, I think I will contact the HR at McKinsey and if they tell me I am not in the top 1%, I will hire somebody to take hostage all of those in the upper percentiles until I am in the top 1%
Not really, I am also a fresh PhD (engineer) and considered to go to consulting afterwards, but I figured that they don't hire non-EU, unless they have a C-permit, which i don't have yet. Still considering to apply after I get one in 2 years.
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Not really, I am also a fresh PhD (engineer) and considered to go to consulting afterwards, but I figured that they don't hire non-EU, unless they have a C-permit, which i don't have yet. Still considering to apply after I get one in 2 years.
Good luck!

BTW, I am also non-EU. Keep trying with smaller consultancies
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Thanks for the informative reply. Yet, I think not all consultants are the same. If you are already a pharmacist, this is a job with a minimum salary of around 7000. More relevant qualifications = less time for training and established understanding of the topic.
I think the salaries for Market Access and Regulatory/Safety/Clinical are all roughly the same and for entry positions we pay circa 70-80k (With PhDs/Post docs etc.). Competition is pretty fierce which is great for us as we have the pick of the crop but if I can offer one word of advice, that is ditch the attitude. We've turned down people with national awards and Nature publications because we figured they would be a PITA in terms of expectations. As a recruiter I want to see motivation, enthusiasm and humility from a recent postgrad because those are qualities I can work with.

Once you're in and you've proven yourself then swagger all you want.
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I think the salaries for Market Access and Regulatory/Safety/Clinical are all roughly the same and for entry positions we pay circa 70-80k (With PhDs/Post docs etc.). Competition is pretty fierce which is great for us as we have the pick of the crop but if I can offer one word of advice, that is ditch the attitude. We've turned down people with national awards and Nature publications because we figured they would be a PITA in terms of expectations. As a recruiter I want to see motivation, enthusiasm and humility from a recent postgrad because those are qualities I can work with.

Once you're in and you've proven yourself then swagger all you want.
Thanks Castro .... almost the first useful reply in the thread
Any idea then about the salary progression?
It is not my attitude to be proud for nothing .... having national awards or Nature publications doesn't mean the person can do the market access consultancy work if these are in a very different field, yet Pharmacy and Health Economics studies mean a lot which translates to less training and faster jump into the real work!
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I think the salaries for Market Access and Regulatory/Safety/Clinical are all roughly the same and for entry positions we pay circa 70-80k (With PhDs/Post docs etc.). Competition is pretty fierce which is great for us as we have the pick of the crop but if I can offer one word of advice, that is ditch the attitude. We've turned down people with national awards and Nature publications because we figured they would be a PITA in terms of expectations. As a recruiter I want to see motivation, enthusiasm and humility from a recent postgrad because those are qualities I can work with.

Once you're in and you've proven yourself then swagger all you want.
So why would people with a PhD in pharma go for 80k in consulting, it they can get 100k+ in pharma?
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So why would people with a PhD in pharma go for 80k in consulting, it they can get 100k+ in pharma?

I think because pharma usually asks for experience in addition to the PhD
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I think because pharma usually asks for experience in addition to the PhD
They all ask, but also end up hiring people without it. Depends on the position. I know a girl, who dropped out of PhD and then got a position in Basel (in big pharma). She is now an intern (!) and she still gets 80k.

I once got an interview for a Senior Engineer position (not pharma), where they want 3+ industry years. I am a fresh PhD. Just ignore these demands for 2-3 years, it is to scare off shy candidates. Where you shouldn't try is 5+ years, there they really want a tough guy.
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Thanks Castro .... almost the first useful reply in the thread
Any idea then about the salary progression?
Salary progression in most Pharma companies (for our sorts of positions) is pretty poor, aside from the 1-2% inflationary rise you shouldn’t expect much more. When you’re promoted to senior specialist or manager you might get a further 5-7%, but again its very gradual. Unfortunately we’re seen as cost (unlike commercial and Marketing) so its all about how well you negotiate on your way in because thats going to be your pay for quite a while. Other ways to boost your package might be getting them to sponsor a qualification.

The best way to get a pay increase is to leave.. seriously
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The best way to get a pay increase is to leave.. seriously
Leave where? I am not ready to work on Saturn yet
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Unfortunately were seen as cost (unlike commercial and Marketing)
well, yeah .... market access/health economics IS commercial
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Leave where? I am not ready to work on Saturn yet
Move companies, that way you get a stepwise increase as opposed to incremental. My strategy 15 years back was to start at a CRO and get as much experience as possible in the shortest time, knowing full well the salary was crap. Once I built up my expertise and confidence I went to a US Biotech in the UK and doubled my salary. Had I stayed at the CRO it would have gone up a grand or two a year.
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