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well, yeah .... market access/health economics IS commercial
Yes it is, but you don’t have sales targets
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Yes it is, but you don’t have sales targets
But without it, there is no sales, or?
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Re: Salary for health economics/market access consultant - pharmacist with a PhD

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But without it, there is no sales, or?
I had a long discussion about this with a good friend of mine lately. We came to the conclusion that it is about visibility. Top management sees the work of sales dept. in numbers, whereas the work of other guys cannot be quantified that easily and is less visible, apparently decreasing the importance of people working there, hence lower salaries.
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Re: Salary for health economics/market access consultant - pharmacist with a PhD

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I had a long discussion about this with a good friend of mine lately. We came to the conclusion that it is about visibility. Top management sees the work of sales dept. in numbers, whereas the work of other guys cannot be quantified that easily and is less visible, apparently decreasing the importance of people working there, hence lower salaries.
True, but in market access, there is always potential sales estimate and adjustments that are in numbers, yet yes not actual, expected
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Old 25.01.2018, 00:24
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But without it, there is no sales, or?
Further upstream there is regulatory affairs, without whom there is no licence. Your welcome
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Old 25.01.2018, 00:33
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Further upstream there is regulatory affairs, without whom there is no licence. Your welcome
And without R&D, no molecules
without supply chains ..... etc.

I guess George Orwell had it right: All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
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Re: Salary for health economics/market access consultant - pharmacist with a PhD

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Bullsheet. For consulting companies take undergraduates as analysts but PhDs come in at associate level.
So not consultants then...

My opinion is based on my experience in and of this industry. Call bulsheet [sic] all you like. Consultant positions are not entry level positions but ones that include professional and academic experience.

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Re: Salary for health economics/market access consultant - pharmacist with a PhD

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Thanks Capo, do you have specific information about market access consultancy?
Don't take me wrong but it seems you have very little clue about the job market. First of all, what your school itself says about it? Do they have career counselors? Have you reached the alumni? Which industries are they working in?

"Market access consultancy" is such a narrow thing that I doubt you are even going to find a job that demands just that. You need to think outside of the box and see which industries would value your skills as a fresh Phd. If your Phd is from a prestigious university and if you at least know how to prepare an application for management consulting job position, then you could get an interview.


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So not consultants then...

My opinion is based on my experience in and of this industry. Call bulsheet [sic] all you like. Consultant positions are not entry level positions but ones that include professional and academic experience.
The problem is that you generalized "consulting" and it's a broad term. Not only that, but the biggest and most important consulting firms are strategy/management consulting firms, such as BCG and Mckinsey, that DO recruit people without experience.
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Re: Salary for health economics/market access consultant - pharmacist with a PhD

Thanks guys for filling the thread with uninformed replies!
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Old 25.01.2018, 18:21
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The problem is that you generalized "consulting" and it's a broad term. Not only that, but the biggest and most important consulting firms are strategy/management consulting firms, such as BCG and Mckinsey, that DO recruit people without experience.
The problem is that I did not generalise. Rather you did. Our friend HS wrote, and I quote:

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I aim to start my career (i.e. no concrete professional experience yet) as a health economics/market access management consultant
This is what I reacted to in my first reply. The market is so competitive that you screen and dump CVs and applications for simple mistakes, like not understanding what the candidate is after and/or applying for.

But as we know our friend is not interested in any opinions unless they are related to how much money he can get.

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Thanks guys for filling the thread with uninformed replies!
Listen up numpty. All these “useless” replies are doing you the favour of keeping “your” one-dimensional thread on the front page. Suck it up and quit your whining.
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The problem is that I did not generalise. Rather you did. Our friend HS wrote, and I quote:



This is what I reacted to in my first reply. The market is so competitive that you screen and dump CVs and applications for simple mistakes, like not understanding what the candidate is after and/or applying for.

But as we know our friend is not interested in any opinions unless they are related to how much money he can get.



Listen up numpty. All these “useless” replies are doing you the favour of keeping “your” one-dimensional thread on the front page. Suck it up and quit your whining.
I think Migros and Coop stopped selling them .... Don't know where you can get one suitable for you but I believe it's good if you get a life .... Oh I heard there is a crazy Italian surgeon looking for volunteers for a claimed head transplantation operation .... Google him, probably this is the best way for you
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I think Migros and Coop stopped selling them .... Don't know where you can get one suitable for you but I believe it's good if you get a life .... Oh I heard there is a crazy Italian surgeon looking for volunteers for a claimed head transplantation operation .... Google him, probably this is the best way for you
You come across as a petulant child. I really hope your interpersonal skills are better in real life.

You are paying zero for the advice on this thread. Some of it worthless in your eyes, some of it has value.

You get what you pay for - if you want to dictate terms regarding the answer you want and to blame someone else when the answer doesn’t reflect reality, you could always pay a consultant.
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Re: Salary for health economics/market access consultant - pharmacist with a PhD

well I guess he'd certainly fit right in with McK...
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Re: Salary for health economics/market access consultant - pharmacist with a PhD

This thread got 950 views so far, among all the people, a few chose to waist their and the others' time, and post irrelevant stuff to a very narrow question

I guess I now realise the necessity of head transplantation
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You come across as a petulant child. I really hope your interpersonal skills are better in real life.

You are paying zero for the advice on this thread. Some of it worthless in your eyes, some of it has value.

You get what you pay for - if you want to dictate terms regarding the answer you want and to blame someone else when the answer doesn’t reflect reality, you could always pay a consultant.

Look at how they started with exclaiming for wanting to be a consultant with no experience ... even though I was talking about the career, not the title, regardless of the starting title, associate or whatever
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You come across as a petulant child. I really hope your interpersonal skills are better in real life.
Look at how they started with exclaiming for wanting to be a consultant with no experience ... even though I was talking about the career, not the title, regardless of the starting title, associate or whatever
But sir! Sir! He started it sir! It’s not fair sir!



Mate. That’s not what your first post or reaction said about you. You decided to make an issue of it through your reaction. If you’d simply said that it would have been clearer but you decided to go down the belligerent defence route. Advice, opinions and info are given freely here. It takes a certain level of maturity to thank, take what you want, leave what you don’t and move on.
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Look at how they started with exclaiming for wanting to be a consultant with no experience ... even though I was talking about the career, not the title, regardless of the starting title, associate or whatever
A good consultant should be able to drive emotions away from the discussion and steer it back to the topic at hand. You have proven you can't do that. Based on this I would say you won't be very successful as a consultant.
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But sir! Sir! He started it sir! It’s not fair sir!



Mate. That’s not what your first post or reaction said about you. You decided to make an issue of it through your reaction. If you’d simply said that it would have been clearer but you decided to go down the belligerent defence route. Advice, opinions and info are given freely here. It takes a certain level of maturity to thank, take what you want, leave what you don’t and move on.

If you go and read the original post, you find this:
I aim to start my career as a health economics/market access management consultant

Not gonna argue with you anymore as you are not worth my time
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A good consultant should be able to drive emotions away from the discussion and steer it back to the topic at hand. You have proven you can't do that. Based on this I would say you won't be very successful as a consultant.
Nice, what else? Can you read more into my future please?
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Nice, what else? Can you read more into my future please?
Not really. I'm a consultant. My job is to tell you what to do and not to do. The doing is up to you.
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