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Re: Salary for health economics/market access consultant - pharmacist with a PhD

Guys .... seriously .... take the labels off yourselves .... working as a consultant does not mean you are a life consultant .... being successful in your way, doesn't mean it is the only way
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Guys .... seriously .... take the labels off yourselves .... working as a consultant does not mean you are a life consultant .... being successful in your way, doesn't mean it is the only way
So why ask us?
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So why ask us?
I am asking for facts (numbers), not opinions
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I am asking for facts (numbers), not opinions
And you think you're going to get them by being rude to people?

How does that work, then?
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I am asking for facts (numbers), not opinions
Your arrogant tone and lack of listening skills could potentially be ignored if you were at a C-suite level. Since you're nowhere near that, you need to tone down, listen more and appreciate feedback. Basic interpersonal skills are way more important at the beginning of ones career than skills. One builds skills throughout his life, attitude is pretty much set and when I recruit I look for attitude first. My friendly advice is to work on this. Not sure if its possible in your case though, but would love to be proven wrong.
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Re: Salary for health economics/market access consultant - pharmacist with a PhD

I pity you guys for not being able to use your time well
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I pity you guys for not being able to use your time well
I pity you for being unable to use a public forum effectively.
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I pity you for being unable to use a public forum effectively.
Thanks to the party poopers squad
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Thanks to the party poopers squad
Other people seem to be able to ask questions without their threads degenerating into an insult- and groan-fest.

Why do you think yours is different?
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If you go and read the original post, you find this: I aim to start my career as a health economics/market access management consultant
Ah, then you need to improve your written communication skills (as well as still work on your composure). For what it is worth, communication skills (written and oral) are important along with the interpersonal skill for anyone in consultancy.

The way you wrote it is misleading, consider: I aim to start my career in health economics/market access consultancy by...

You are welcome for this piece of advice from someone who has been working in the pharmaceutical industry for 20 years (sheesh that makes me feel old), with a good 10 of those in consulting.

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... Basic interpersonal skills are way more important at the beginning of ones career than skills....
Exactly what I was going to write - I hire on attitude and fit as these things tend not to change too much in a given person, while anyone can be upskilled or trained in a particular discipline (learning ability can more easily be shown in a CV).

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moany moan about people on my thread boo hoo etc
I repeat - read slowly - by posting here the thread stays current, as opposed to disappearing in the thread graveyard. That means you are more likely to get interest in the thread, and, in turn, people responding. Surely basic statistics, sample size, access and probability are part of your studies?!

Then again, being a dick will likely reduce the chances of someone wanting to impart their info.

Hey ho, as I said earlier, good luck with your job applications, hope you find what you are looking for.
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Hey ho, as I said earlier, good luck with your job applications, hope you find what you are looking for.
Blame yourself only if you can't comprehend well or your eyes have got a problem ...

I don't know how you quote me with something I haven't said (that "moany moan ....") but actually I was just made a job offer ..... Enjoy flushing your experience down the toilet ....

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actually I was just made a job offer
Funny, that. I've just got off a plane from Jupiter where I had lunch with George W Bush and Mother Theresa.

They were both saying what a splendid young chap you are. Seems like we all have you all wrong!

Congratulations on the job!
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Blame yourself only if you can't comprehend well or your eyes have got a problem ...
Brilliant attitude. Hope that works well for you in the long term.

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I don't know how you quote me with something I haven't said (that "moany moan ....")
I was paraphrasing... take your pick:
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Thanks for adding nothing to the sum of the world's knowledge.

Who said that I have zero experience? I said no experience in this field .... sigh!
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Guys, I'm aware of your boredom while you're trying to pass the remaining minutes of your work day feeling sorry for being underpaid

Yet, please keep the thread clean for useful replies and go have a stroll or take a chill pill and work on your resumes
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you might have been innocent in the thread but I was disappointed that even people who are labelled "forum legend" are spamming the thread with no useful answer .....
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Thanks guys for filling the thread with uninformed replies!
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This thread got 950 views so far, among all the people, a few chose to waist their and the others' time, and post irrelevant stuff to a very narrow question

I guess I now realise the necessity of head transplantation
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Look at how they started with exclaiming for wanting to be a consultant with no experience ... even though I was talking about the career, not the title, regardless of the starting title, associate or whatever
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Guys .... seriously .... take the labels off yourselves .... working as a consultant does not mean you are a life consultant .... being successful in your way, doesn't mean it is the only way
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but actually I was just made a job offer ..... Enjoy flushing your experience down the toilet ....
One day, when you mature, you might realise that the information shared here had some value - but I guess as someone who knows it all, you know the price of everything and value of nothing. That's a heavy, sad irony for someone who works in HE. Surprised you felt the need to get that PhD to be honest.

Nevertheless, congratulations. Amazing how that happened over the weekend. Good luck & hope you have a great time as an HE consultant.
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The jealous EF bunch is out at force again. They cannot stand anyone with a good education. I don't know your area but I am pretty sure you can expect more than 6000 CHF with your background.
6000CHF a month? so 78,000 a year?

with no relevant experience? for an entry level position?
Good luck.

Assuming the education of OP is up to scratch, and that there is low competition in his field, he would be doing well to get 5000 a month. In Zurich. less, outside the big cities.

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No. HR would tell you the salary. I'm the guy who'd say yes or no based on qualifications, experience, interview outcome and job spec... As I said, you might want to rethink your strategy to go straight into consulting.

The consultants that I have worked with in this field have BOTH academic qualifications (usually Profs) as well as years of working for Government Health Authorities on the one side, or own their own HE companies (often spin-offs from universities), with people like you doing the heavy lifting, modelling and calculations and publications.

However, it's your call and career. If you feel you can compete, then great and good luck.
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Thanks man, I already have a lot of positive replies from interested companies ..... again, my question was about a salary not if I would succeed
A company will always give a positive reply, until they get to the bit about paying.

You should learn that quickly, if you are to be a consultant.

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Bullsheet. For consulting companies take undergraduates as analysts but PhDs come in at associate level.
By undergraduates, i assume you mean Bachelors Degree holders. They can come in as analysts, but usually for a far lower salary (think 4500 a month) and only then if the degree was in the relevant subject. In OPs case, it looks like a change of career ('with no relevant experience') so he doesn't have the 'right' academic qualification.

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Guys .... seriously .... take the labels off yourselves .... working as a consultant does not mean you are a life consultant .... being successful in your way, doesn't mean it is the only way
No, but in your case, being successful as a consultant is dependant on your skills and experience. You have, by your own admission, no experience in this field. Expecting a reasonably high salary is wishful thinking, and if you dont want to be disappointed, banish the thoughts of 10k a month now.

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I am asking for facts (numbers), not opinions
Ok, here you go.

Fact: You have Zero relevant Experience.
Fact: You have an abrasive personality.
Fact: you will have lots of competition.
Fact: You have no successful case histories.
Fact: You have no established 'brand'.
Fact: Your competition is much better established, skilled, and experienced than you.
Fact: You have very little understanding of how lucrative (or not) your own field is.
Fact: Big Pharma is one of the most sought after customers for consultancies.
Fact: Big pharma know this and select only the best companies with the most 'clout'. This will not be you.
Fact: Your qualifications are not really qualifications. the world of academia is very, very different to the corporate world.
Fact: having a PhD is nothing special. it is the bare minimum you need to get on the ladder at all.
Fact: You are barely qualified, sorely lacking in experience, and will not have the ability to command a good salary.

Advice: Forget 6,000 a month. a Salary of that type requires, at the least, 4-5 years of successful, relevant experience with a reputable company.

Advice: aim for 4500 a month, and consider yourself lucky if you get something.

Source: I hire consultants regularly. I would not offer you more then 4,000 a month, and that's for a 40 hour week.
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Re: Salary for health economics/market access consultant - pharmacist with a PhD

Do you know that the salary of a PhD student is already 4500 a month?
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Do you know that the salary of a PhD student is already 4500 a month?
Now you're getting it. Welcome to the corporate world.

Why should i pay you more when you have less to offer me then you did your university?
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Re: Salary for health economics/market access consultant - pharmacist with a PhD

a PhD student is different from a PhD holder ..... Why do you get educated then?
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a PhD student is different from a PhD holder ..... Why do you get educated then?
Like i said: A PhD is the bare minimum you need in certain fields. Pharma is one of them.

You are not one of a very small number of people with PhDs, you are a PhD-holding needle in a PhD haystack. There are thousands upon thousands of PhD holders, all vying for the same, small number of jobs. You are competing not with a few people, but with literally thousands across the globe.

In your case, to be taken seriously, you would probably need an MBA too.
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Re: Salary for health economics/market access consultant - pharmacist with a PhD

I feel like we are going in circles .... Everyone taking a piece of the facts and making an argument about it

I know that many people also have PhD, yet this high supply would never bring the price down to the level you are talking about

Moreover, not all consultancy work is the same

Beyond, having consultants from "the relevant" background at your consultancy gives a more prestigious image to the company in front of the clients. Why would a pharmacist work for 4500 after doing MSc and PhD, while he can work for 7000 or more with pharmacy education only?!
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