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Re: Working as a contractor

Why such a patronizing and condescending tone in many replies here?
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If 4600CHF is about correct for a fresh grad, then what is this:
https://www.gate.bfs.admin.ch/salari...l#/calculation
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information technology, Uni graduate, engineer, 25 years old, 0 years experience, canton vaud

......*drums please*.....

... 8000-10000CHF per month median, and I didn't even consider Zurich. The lowest of the lowest seems to be 6600CHF and that's for swiss women. No anything near about CHF4000.

Where is the trick?
The trick is this calculator is broken. It does not account for your work experience. Instead, it somehow includes it in your age.

Try changing experience from 0 to 5 years, while keepeing the age the same. In some cases this thing will even decrease your wage a bit
But if you change your age while keeping everything constant you will be surprised to see how much a 46 year old dude with 0 experience can earn

Here you go... I managed to get 4.5k on this thing, assuming a fresh non-ETH 22Y bachelor in his first year:

https://i.imgur.com/yFWWk25.jpg
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Old 04.02.2018, 22:34
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Why such a patronizing and condescending tone in many replies here?
There are no stupid questions. But there are an awful lot of inquisitive idiots.
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Re: Working as a contractor

had almost won a contract. lost them with 9 grands of salary expectation.
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That was my first guess... Not very smart IMO.

1. Long-term this will play against you, because (a) employers dont like long CV gaps and (b) you will very quickly become too old and not qualified enough for most jobs.
I didn't understand what you mean.


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My advice for you is get a cool job in CH, work 10-15 years, make hell lots of money and enjoy downshifting in a cheap country of your choice like Vietnam, Columbia, Montenegro, etc... If you will be able to give up the high living standard here in CH, of course.
Columbia is cheap? Which one? The DC region is relatively expensive to live and British Columbia even more...
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Old 06.02.2018, 09:02
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had almost won a contract. lost them with 9 grands of salary expectation.
So, unrealistic working expectations, and unrealistic salary expectations... or was the 9 grand the yearly pay. That'd actually seem about right.
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on the serious side, i don't know what to say about salaries in Switzerland....

when you fire up salarium (https://www.gate.bfs.admin.ch/salari...ex.html#/start) you can find out that 8k per month is the minimum for software developers, and similarly for engineering in general. And when you read this forum, 120k yearly is norm and with 90k you're already on the lower side, even if you've just came out of university while obtaining masters degree. Also, if you google software engineer entry-level salary switzerland, you get the 85k number.

But then, on the other hand, you keep sniffing around and find article actually published by an official institution and not some average EF basement dweller, which says that entry level sw developer earns 4600CHF monthly (median). I mean what's this? Bus driver salary? Convert this into net salary, subtract 2000CHF for living costs and you end with some change in your pocket, or even nothing, if you have to visit a dentist for root canal treatment. Or go out to have a drinking session and say bye-bye 150CHF.

From now on, I proclaim that swiss salaries are a scam, unless you're in the 90k+ bracket (= CEO of department in nuclear microtechnology with ETH degree and swiss passport holder) .
There are contractors and then there are CONTRACTORS and the difference between them is the size of their daily take!
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Re: Working as a contractor

so if I don't want to work 100%, but lets say 70% or 50% in the means that I only work x-consecutive months in a year OR that I work for the whole year, but not all days in the week, what are my options?

The problem is that contracting is out of question as apparently I'm too green for such stuff - it was said before, contracting work is meant for seniors and specialists. Other quick-in-quick-out jobs like factory worker in tech assembly are a possibility, but a last resort as this is not that much related with my field, neither I'd like to have this in my CV.Priority is to leverage my technical degree, and the knowledge from hardware and software engineering, although not entirely necessary.

In any case, I'd like to stay away from 100% work for a while, as it's not my thing. I think that <100% work is one of the best things that Switzerland can offer.
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First earn it.
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so if I don't want to work 100%, but lets say 70% or 50% in the means that I only work x-consecutive months in a year OR that I work for the whole year, but not all days in the week, what are my options?

The problem is that contracting is out of question as apparently I'm too green for such stuff - it was said before, contracting work is meant for seniors and specialists. Other quick-in-quick-out jobs like factory worker in tech assembly are a possibility, but a last resort as this is not that much related with my field, neither I'd like to have this in my CV.Priority is to leverage my technical degree, and the knowledge from hardware and software engineering, although not entirely necessary.

In any case, I'd like to stay away from 100% work for a while, as it's not my thing. I think that <100% work is one of the best things that Switzerland can offer.
Most companies want a job done and that quickly, that doesn´t go well together with working 70%.

I wouldn´t hire a contractor to see the job drag on as the contractor does not want to work on it full time
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Re: Working as a contractor

Get a job at 100%. Prove your worth. Then ask to go down to 70%. That's how it usually works for tech jobs.

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Most companies want a job done and that quickly, that doesn´t go well together with working 70%.

I wouldn´t hire a contractor to see the job drag on as the contractor does not want to work on it full time
There is a small market for contractors who work part-time, short project etc. Some places need a couple of days specialist support a week. However, to get those kind of contracts, you have to a good reputation - you have to be known.
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2. Finish with work and claim back taxes and contributions, where possible
Why did the tax authorities not think of that??? Oh wait they did! Leave aside the practice leaflets issued by the various tax authorities concerning the simple 183 days rule and go to the actual law, double tax treaty and case law, there you will find that you can indeed be taxed. Somewhere in all of that you will find additional rules that the authorities can apply if they so wish and in this case habitual behavior is relevant. Do what you described and you will find that your pattern of behavior will enable both countries to raise tax assessments on you.
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Why did the tax authorities not think of that??? Oh wait they did! Leave aside the practice leaflets issued by the various tax authorities concerning the simple 183 days rule and go to the actual law, double tax treaty and case law, there you will find that you can indeed be taxed. Somewhere in all of that you will find additional rules that the authorities can apply if they so wish and in this case habitual behaviour is relevant. Do what you described and you will find that your pattern of behaviour will enable both countries to raise tax assessments on you.
actually, you're right. The 183 day rule, which is by tax body in my home country advertised as a main criteria for determining tax residency, might be nothing but a scam. I've checked the local law about this, and what I've found is very shocking. I can't be considered as a tax non-resident in my domicile country as long as I don't permanently move out, or at least leave it for few years.

Therefore any short term employments for 3,6,12 months or just contracts limited in time, would likely result in being considered as a tax resident in my home country. This is a huge problem, as I am domiciled in a high tax country, and as a result my profits earned in Switzerland would be slashed down by 25 to 50% (all reliefs included), depending on how long would I work in CH (what would be total yearly income). Horrendous.
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actually, you're right. The 183 day rule, which is by tax body in my home country advertised as a main criteria for determining tax residency, might be nothing but a scam. I've checked the local law about this, and what I've found is very shocking. I can't be considered as a tax non-resident in my domicile country as long as I don't permanently move out, or at least leave it for few years.

Therefore any short term employments for 3,6,12 months or just contracts limited in time, would likely result in being considered as a tax resident in my home country. This is a huge problem, as I am domiciled in a high tax country, and as a result my profits earned in Switzerland would be slashed down by 25 to 50% (all reliefs included), depending on how long would I work in CH (what would be total yearly income). Horrendous.
Search what happens when you are a US citizen or have a green card......
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This is a huge problem, as I am domiciled in a high tax country, and as a result my profits earned in Switzerland would be slashed down by 25 to 50% (all reliefs included), depending on how long would I work in CH (what would be total yearly income). Horrendous.
You will be considered resident and taxable in Switzerland as well. Since you would habitually reside here as well.
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Search what happens when you are a US citizen or have a green card......
FACTA seems to be totally fine to me. You guys are entitled to 100k of foreign income relief (for comparison I don't have this perk), and on top of that you can also get other reliefs. I guess that your US effective tax rate on say 120k isn't more than 5%.

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You will be considered resident and taxable in Switzerland as well. Since you would habitually reside here as well.
Yes, but this tax gets excluded from the tax that I would pay in my home country. Unfortunately it doesn't help much.

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FACTA seems to be totally fine to me. You guys are entitled to 100k of foreign income relief (for comparison I don't have this perk), and on top of that you can also get other reliefs. I guess that your US effective tax rate on say 120k isn't more than 5%.
FATCA has nothing to do with taxes.

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FATCA has nothing to do with taxes.

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yeah, it has something to do with fishing equipment instead.
No, but you really don’t understand what you’re Ure talking about.
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