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Working as a contractor

i'm junior engineer with some lightweight experience from software and hardware development (up to 24 month in total). I would like to know if it possible to land 3-4 month contracts in Switzerland and if yes, how likely can I achieve this?
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Re: Working as a contractor

Are you from Germany or from Oeganda?
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Are you from Germany or from Oeganda?
actually from Swaziland (Bern)
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EU natonal yes, non-EU national no.
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EU natonal yes, non-EU national no.
I'll add some additional clarification, as this is not what I was expecting.

-are there any contracts/temp stuff available for such short durations (3-4 months) in my field, because the average contracting duration seem to be between 6 to 12 months (based on jobs.ch)

-and, how realistic it is that I can win any such contract, because most ads that I've seen seem to require a person with multiple year experience from a specific field, while I'm still junior.
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Re: Working as a contractor

Why do you want such short contracts?

P.S. Do a trainee, they normally last 3-6 month but have s*** pay (by local standards)
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Why do you want such short contracts?

P.S. Do a trainee, they normally last 3-6 month but have s*** pay (by local standards)
1. Work in Switzerland for 3 months under EU-law and don't pay for health insurance. Maximize salary and minimize costs.

2. Finish with work and claim back taxes and contributions, where possible

3. Return back to Cheap Europe and live comfortably for the rest of the year, without the need to be employed

4. ???

5. Profit

6. Repeat the cycle...Switzerland see you next year
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Re: Working as a contractor

That was my first guess... Not very smart IMO.

1. Long-term this will play against you, because (a) employers dont like long CV gaps and (b) you will very quickly become too old and not qualified enough for most jobs.

2. Contractors are hired to finish a specific project, which typically lasts a year or two, not 3 months. And they normally want a highly qualified dude to work on it, who doesn't need much supervision.

My advice for you is get a cool job in CH, work 10-15 years, make hell lots of money and enjoy downshifting in a cheap country of your choice like Vietnam, Columbia, Montenegro, etc... If you will be able to give up the high living standard here in CH, of course.
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My advice for you is get a cool job in CH, work 10-15 years, make hell lots of money and enjoy downshifting in a cheap country of your choice like Vietnam, Columbia, Montenegro, etc... If you will be able to give up the high living standard here in CH, of course.
And my advice to the OP is to stop wasting our time
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1. Work in Switzerland for 3 months under EU-law and don't pay for health insurance. Maximize salary and minimize costs.

2. Finish with work and claim back taxes and contributions, where possible

3. Return back to Cheap Europe and live comfortably for the rest of the year, without the need to be employed

4. ???

5. Profit

6. Repeat the cycle...Switzerland see you next year
With 2 year's experience? Not a chance. With a good network of contacts and proven, deep experience and ability in a high demand/low supply technology - possible but highly unlikely.

There are people I know from cheap Europe who follow this model, but generally working in construction or cleaning or the like.
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Re: Working as a contractor

Without knowing your nationality it's not easy to say. Since you were enquiring about how Americans deal with tax situations in another thread I assume you're actually a non-EU who may live in an EU country. If that's the case then no, you can't work here at all without getting a pre-approved permit - which no employer in their right mind is going to go to the expense of applying for for such a short employment period. What you are forgetting is that Switzerland is not part of the EU.
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actually from Swaziland (Bern)
No info means no answers.

One thing we already know is that you have the wrong attitude.
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i'm junior engineer with some lightweight experience from software and hardware development (up to 24 month in total). I would like to know if it possible to land 3-4 month contracts in Switzerland and if yes, how likely can I achieve this?
Apply for an internship in one of the big companies.
Btw, as a contractor you really need more than light experience in different areas (that ship has sailed long ago, IT is a very specialised business these days).
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And internships don't pay much.
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That was my first guess... Not very smart IMO.

1. Long-term this will play against you, because (a) employers dont like long CV gaps and (b) you will very quickly become too old and not qualified enough for most jobs.

2. Contractors are hired to finish a specific project, which typically lasts a year or two, not 3 months. And they normally want a highly qualified dude to work on it, who doesn't need much supervision.

My advice for you is get a cool job in CH, work 10-15 years, make hell lots of money and enjoy downshifting in a cheap country of your choice like Vietnam, Columbia, Montenegro, etc... If you will be able to give up the high living standard here in CH, of course.
...lasts a year of two....
....highly qualified dude....
....doesn't need much supervision....



basically that's all that I either don't have or don't want ATM. Maybe this explains why I wasn't able to win a single temp work/contract yet (I was applying on 6-12 month projects), but was offered junior permanent positions instead. When I was digging trough contracting advertisements for engineering, I got an impression that the average profile that employers want, is someone with 5yrs experience in a specific field. Similarly, perma positions require equally experienced guys too, but I found many of advertisements for such positions being exaggerated - apparently in this case employers don't expect as much as written in ads, are much more tolerant to less experienced engineers and are open to settle for less.

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Apply for an internship in one of the big companies.
Btw, as a contractor you really need more than light experience in different areas (that ship has sailed long ago, IT is a very specialised business these days).
internships pay sh*t. The biggest companies offer somewhere between 3-4k (the "minimal wage"), while the average internship probably pays somewhere about 2-2.5k - that's enough to pay for expenses and then maybe you're left for two beers. Not to mention that if I'd like to follow "work 3 months in CH and live 9 months in Cheap Europe" plan, I would need about 8000gross per month.

Also, if we're already at salaries, just look what's the average entry level, out-of-the-uni salary for software developer in Zurich, year 2017:Salaries in Switzerland

Zurich's Office for Economy and Labour publishes an annual report outlining salaries in Zurich for almost every profession; the Lohnbuch 2017 (in German) includes data on typical salaries based on age and experience. Below are some examples of monthly salaries based on nationwide recommendations or averages of first-year salaries.
Profession
Monthly salary in CHFHairdresserCHF 2,601FloristCHF 3,800Graphic designerCHF 3,800Shop assistantCHF 3,900CarpenterCHF 4,018Postal workerCHF 4,031BakerCHF 4,051Car mechanicCHF 4,450 (Zurich)FarmerCHF 4,500Train conductorCHF 4,558Software developerCHF 4,608Bus driverCHF 4,858Dental hygienistCHF 4,930FootballplayerCHF 5,400Civil engineerCHF 5,411JournalistCHF 5,551Social workerCHF 6,246 (Zurich)PilotCHF 6,576Primary school teacherCHF 7,398 (Zurich)Bank credit and risk managerCHF 7,788Army officerCHF 8,142PastorCHF 9,084Public prosecutorCHF 10,400Chief hospital physicianCHF 12,824 (Zurich)Cabinet memberCHF 37,083


source: https://www.expatica.com/ch/employme...nd_995110.html

It's CHF4600 gross. There is no way this is accurate. Maybe they were sampling in Ticino.
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It's CHF4600 gross. There is no way this is accurate. Maybe they were sampling in Ticino.
Or less for an internship.

And why wouldn´t this be accurate? Because you do not like it?
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Why do people keep believing in the myth that everybody in this country earns a fortune?

4.600,- Sounds about correct for a starter with no special skills or experience, but who am I to deny that your knowledge exceeds the knowledge of the Swiss office of Economy and Labour.

You have hardly anything to offer but still expect short term contracts with 8K a month. Stop dreaming since this is not going to happen.
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Why do people keep believing in the myth that everybody in this country earns a fortune?

4.600,- Sounds about correct for a starter with no special skills or experience, but who am I to deny that your knowledge exceeds the knowledge of the Swiss office of Economy and Labour.
If 4600CHF is about correct for a fresh grad, then what is this:
https://www.gate.bfs.admin.ch/salari...l#/calculation
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information technology, Uni graduate, engineer, 25 years old, 0 years experience, canton vaud

......*drums please*.....

... 8000-10000CHF per month median, and I didn't even consider Zurich. The lowest of the lowest seems to be 6600CHF and that's for swiss women. No anything near about CHF4000.

Where is the trick?

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You have hardly anything to offer but still expect short term contracts with 8K a month. Stop dreaming since this is not going to happen.
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If 4600CHF is about correct for a fresh grad, then what is this:
https://www.gate.bfs.admin.ch/salari...l#/calculation
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information technology, Uni graduate, engineer, 25 years old, 0 years experience, canton vaud

......*drums please*.....

... 8000-10000CHF per month median, and I didn't even consider Zurich. The lowest of the lowest seems to be 6600CHF and that's for swiss women. No anything near about CHF4000.

Where is the trick?
Stop dreaming and wake up, you obviously have no clue what you are talking about and fail to interpret numbers correctly and your ignorance is becoming irritating.
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Stop dreaming and wake up, you obviously have no clue what you are talking about and fail to interpret numbers correctly and your ignorance is becoming irritating.
if you explain me the numbers, I promise won't post in this thread anymore.
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