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Employer asking to refund excess payment

Employer by mistake paid me few hundreds more than should.
And now is asking to refund it.
The thing is that AHV, ALV etc. taxes already paid and the original amount declared.
Employer sent me an extra Lohnausweis with just one entry negative excess amount, to send it to the tax office.
What should I do? Am I obliged to refund?
It seems the AHV, ALV etc. taxes lost anyway.

I am going to refund, just do not want to accept any loss because of their mistake.
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Old 20.02.2018, 10:22
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Re: Employer asking to refund excess payment

I was was overpaid by my employer CHF 25k and they asked for a refund, in cash!

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Old 20.02.2018, 10:29
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Re: Employer asking to refund excess payment

there will be no extra cost for you as everything will be corrected retroactively.
and yes, you have to refund.
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Old 20.02.2018, 15:50
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I was was overpaid by my employer CHF 25k and they asked for a refund, in cash!

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Sounds like a money laundering scam.
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Old 20.02.2018, 16:45
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I was was overpaid by my employer CHF 25k and they asked for a refund, in cash!

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I'm guessing it took a while to get 25K in 5 rappen coins together....
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Old 20.02.2018, 16:47
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Re: Employer asking to refund excess payment

OP are you still working there?

Can't they just adjust your next pay, which will automatically adjust the tax etc.
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I'm guessing it took a while to get 25K in 5 rappen coins together....
This is a bit weird, I would tell them or call them with a reasonable suggestion to account that as a bonus if they were so "stupid", problem solved. Unless you were working for peanuts so the 25k were really something... on the other hand are you really obliged to return such money at a call? What can they do? If they file you to debt register you can counter claim that it was a bonus pay or not?
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Old 20.02.2018, 22:58
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This is a bit weird, I would tell them or call them with a reasonable suggestion to account that as a bonus if they were so "stupid", problem solved. Unless you were working for peanuts so the 25k were really something... on the other hand are you really obliged to return such money at a call? What can they do? If they file you to debt register you can counter claim that it was a bonus pay or not?
they could do a Betreibung. or imagine what happens if you ever need a reference.
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they could do a Betreibung. or imagine what happens if you ever need a reference.
Of course I've been sarcastic but that's how I would react upon such letter. It also works the other way and people tend to believe the employee side of things so bad opinion for the employer is a really bad thing. Not to mention that they can burn bridges with you unless you meant just an asset (say nothing) to them.
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Old 21.02.2018, 08:36
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so the 25k were really something...
Who on earth doesn't think 25k is really something? Unless you are one of the Ikea heirs or part of the Blocher family...
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Old 21.02.2018, 09:10
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OP are you still working there?

Can't they just adjust your next pay, which will automatically adjust the tax etc.
Exactly. Treat it as a Lohnvorbezug, a (partial) prepayment of the salary, or as a short term loan.
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Who on earth doesn't think 25k is really something? Unless you are one of the Ikea heirs or part of the Blocher family...
Sure you will find it nice but for the corporation it is not much. If you earn the EF standard 120k than it's only 20% bonus to your salary. Not peanuts but also nothing extraordinary for a bonus. It all depends what you do. Did your work help the company to earn a few more millions this year, etc.
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Old 21.02.2018, 09:55
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Sure you will find it nice but for the corporation it is not much. If you earn the EF standard 120k than it's only 20% bonus to your salary. Not peanuts but also nothing extraordinary for a bonus. It all depends what you do. Did your work help the company to earn a few more millions this year, etc.
So ?

If OP was overpaid, he/she needs to pay that back one way or the other. Nothing to do with what OP does for work.
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Old 21.02.2018, 12:52
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Sure you will find it nice but for the corporation it is not much. If you earn the EF standard 120k than it's only 20% bonus to your salary. Not peanuts but also nothing extraordinary for a bonus. It all depends what you do. Did your work help the company to earn a few more millions this year, etc.
Well to start with I very much doubt 120K is the EF standard, at least I know several that are not on that level.

Do you have any consideration for the other people involved in your suggestion, the person who made the mistake, the HR person and managers that would have to try and justify your suggestion? Do you think they will look favourable on the OP going forward?

And then there is the legal requirement to pay it back in any case.

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Sure you will find it nice but for the corporation it is not much. If you earn the EF standard 120k than it's only 20% bonus to your salary. Not peanuts but also nothing extraordinary for a bonus. It all depends what you do. Did your work help the company to earn a few more millions this year, etc.
So if the bank accidentally withdraws 1'000 from your account and credits it to someone else's and then says oh that's alright, I mean it's not much so someone else can have it, no problem - you'd find that understandable and no big deal and would be ok with it?

Eeexactly.

The money isn't his, he had to pay it back. It's unjustified enrichment (if that is the correct translation).
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OP are you still working there?

Can't they just adjust your next pay, which will automatically adjust the tax etc.
I do not work there anymore, but there is a small chance I may in future.
If I did work, they would apply correction to the next payment without asking.

It is not 25K, so I just pay it back for my peace of mind.
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Old 21.02.2018, 15:14
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If you earn the EF standard 120k than it's only 20% bonus to your salary. Not peanuts but also nothing extraordinary for a bonus.
Seriously?? And I wonder why I get upset with people objecting to my rates for RAV interpreting when they get more money from the RAV while unemployed than we earn between us in a year... It seems to me there are a few people around who don't appreciate their fortune (pun intended) and think it their entitlement
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