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Offered a job in Zurich

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I was offered a job by TDC sunrise operator " Senior Account Manager " icurrently work for a German operator . Read and heard good think about sunrise and their work enviroment

Was wondering how much would be a good salary to ask for a single person ? like if i want to

get an 80 meters squared apartment
have a take away once a week
gym
utilities
insurance
transportation "dont need a car "
being able to save up some money for my pension

i was thinking negotiating 80k -90k chf given i make ~ 65k euros

any advise is well appreciated

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Hello

I was offered a job by TDC sunrise operator " Senior Account Manager " icurrently work for a German operator . Read and heard good think about sunrise and their work enviroment

Was wondering how much would be a good salary to ask for a single person ? like if i want to

get an 80 meters squared apartment
have a take away once a week
gym
utilities
insurance
transportation "dont need a car "
being able to save up some money for my pension

i was thinking negotiating 80k -90k chf given i make ~ 65k euros

any advise is well appreciated

Thanks
65k EUR translates easily to 110-120k CHF. Dont underestimate the cost of living in Switzerland.
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I was offered a job by TDC sunrise operator " Senior Account Manager " icurrently work for a German operator . Read and heard good think about sunrise and their work enviroment

Was wondering how much would be a good salary to ask for a single person ? like if i want to

get an 80 meters squared apartment
have a take away once a week
gym
utilities
insurance
transportation "dont need a car "
being able to save up some money for my pension

i was thinking negotiating 80k -90k chf given i make ~ 65k euros

any advise is well appreciated

Thanks
I would not give away personal information like the company name and position when you are asking about salaries... the internet in Switzerland is a small place and it would take someone from Sunrise HR two seconds to personally identify you as someone who was just offered the "Senior Account Manager" position.

80k is a graduate-level salary at one of the Big 4, so for a senior account manager position I would say you should be looking at 110-130k+. Use Glassdoor.com etc to research salaries. For cost of living there are many threads and topic on this forum for you to look at so please use them.

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Re: Offered a job in Zurich

What does a "Senior Account Manager" actually do?

If it involves managing other people, I'd say 120k+, possibly even more - but what do I know?
Or may be a large part is performance-based?

I'd maybe even start at 140, they'll try to haggle you down anyway.
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Re: Offered a job in Zurich

The telecom operator you mentioned pays good salaries.

I would be expecting them to pay between the range of 130K CHF to 150K CHF (including bonus) for that position depending on your experience & responsibilities.
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What does a "Senior Account Manager" actually do?
If it involves managing other people, I'd say 120k+, possibly even more
In Sales department's terminology (including services sales) , Account Manager manages relationships with "accounts" (read "customers"). Salary depends on "Account" size, i.e. how much profit the account generates.
Thus, the salary may vary from CHF 80K for small "Accounts" manager to many hundred thousands for huge "Accounts" like big banks or grocery chains.

As per salary/expenses ratio, I think CHF 80K is not a very attractive salary.
It translates to about 5K per month.
One can afford 80m2 apartment only in a "cheap" area (like, near the airport, railway or highway junction) or very far away (40-50 min commuting)
On the other side, 120K is totally unrealistic for a start.
I'd say 95k to 105k is something closer to reality.
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Re: Offered a job in Zurich

80-90k is MUCH too little for that kind of position.

Of course, in Germany, from your 65k € you will only receive half due to crazy taxes, but still the difference has to be bigger. I don't agree with others that 120k++ is what you're looking for, but as Richdog says, 100k++ is a definite must.

Flat: About 2.5k. Depending how local/central you want it to be, and how modern it should be. If you don't mind taking the train from a suburb, can be had for below 2k, too. (talking "warm", called "inkl" in Switzerland)

Food can be anything. A meal at Chickeria (Swiss fastfood) will just be 12-14 CHF, a decent Italian pizza + a beer approx 25 CHF, all-you-can-eat dinner at a good place, including drinks, approx 50-60 CHF.

Generally, no statement can be made for food expenses. You can feed yourself well with just 300 CHF/month, or you can easily spend 1000 CHF, too (expensive meat cuts, never buying food on sale, etc.)

Gym is cheap. A decent chain like ActiveFitness* will set you back 740 CHF for a year. Cheaper for longer subscription. Cheaper alternatives do exist as well. Depending on your health insurance, they might pay parts of it, too.

*If you sign up with them, please PM me before, so I get an advertisement bonus

Insurance: Health insurance is expensive, approx 300-500 CHF, depending where you life, and if you want any extras. If you choose the cheapest policy (Franchise), the first 3000 CHF per year isn't covered. Other insurances won't add much (300 CHF or so per year..)

Transportation: If you like travelling around Switzerland, a GA will set you back 3860 CHF. A unlimited card for Zürich Kanton will be 2226 CHF. City itself only 782 CHF. All relatively fair prices in my opinion, considering what's all included.

Generally, if you're living reasonable, you can expect about the following costs per month:
2000 CHF for a good, reasonable located flat
500 CHF for food - that allows some nice products, but doesn't go into splurge
100 CHF clothes
200 CHF eating out/having a few drinks once a week in average.
100 CHF gym&other sports like swimming
400 CHF health insurance
100 CHF other insurances (like REGA..) to be on the safe side.
250 CHF transportation "all inclusive"

Total: 3650 CHF

Yes, that's not crazy expensive, but considering quite a lot of Swiss have to survive on salaries just above 4000 CHF (which will yield them, after deductions and taxes, significant below 3500 CHF) or even below that, you can see that it's entirely possible to life on such expenses.

From a theoretical income of 100k, you'll get paid out approx 90k, and then having to spend around 6-10k of taxes (in Kt. Zürich, depending which place you're living) onto that. You'll have about 80k left. Your expenses (as calculated above) will be around 42-45k yearly, meaning around 35-38k left for saving up. Or for holidays. Or for shopping for more than basic clothes, etc.

Basically, on a decent Swiss salary - and I consider anything above 100k as decent for a single household - you can definitely safe up quite some money.
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What does a "Senior Account Manager" actually do?
It's in the name(?). He manages customer accounts, not people. One of the most standard commercial functions the world over. You might as well ask "what does a butcher actually do?"...
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Re: Offered a job in Zurich

TDC?

In 2015 Sunrise went on the stock exchange.
As of December 31, 2015, Sunrise Communications Group AG has been notified of the following shareholdings totaling 3% or more of the total share capital of Sunrise Communications Group AG:

CVC Capital Partners SICAV-FIS S.A, Luxembourg: 25.27%
Allianz SE, Munich: 5.80%
Hengistbury Investment Partners LLP, London: 5.22%
BNP Paribas SA, Paris: 3.28%
Blue Mountain Credit Alternatives Masters Fund L.P., New York: 3.17%
Government of Singapore, Singapore: 3.11%
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I would not give away personal information like the company name and position when you are asking about salaries... the internet in Switzerland is a small place and it would take someone from Sunrise HR two seconds to personally identify you as someone who was just offered the "Senior Account Manager" position.

80k is a graduate-level salary at one of the Big 4, so for a senior account manager position I would say you should be looking at 110-130k+. Use Glassdoor.com etc to research salaries. For cost of living there are many threads and topic on this forum for you to look at so please use them.
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80-90k is MUCH too little for that kind of position.

Of course, in Germany, from your 65k € you will only receive half due to crazy taxes, but still the difference has to be bigger. I don't agree with others that 120k++ is what you're looking for, but as Richdog says, 100k++ is a definite must.

Flat: About 2.5k. Depending how local/central you want it to be, and how modern it should be. If you don't mind taking the train from a suburb, can be had for below 2k, too. (talking "warm", called "inkl" in Switzerland)

Food can be anything. A meal at Chickeria (Swiss fastfood) will just be 12-14 CHF, a decent Italian pizza + a beer approx 25 CHF, all-you-can-eat dinner at a good place, including drinks, approx 50-60 CHF.

Generally, no statement can be made for food expenses. You can feed yourself well with just 300 CHF/month, or you can easily spend 1000 CHF, too (expensive meat cuts, never buying food on sale, etc.)

Gym is cheap. A decent chain like ActiveFitness* will set you back 740 CHF for a year. Cheaper for longer subscription. Cheaper alternatives do exist as well. Depending on your health insurance, they might pay parts of it, too.

*If you sign up with them, please PM me before, so I get an advertisement bonus

Insurance: Health insurance is expensive, approx 300-500 CHF, depending where you life, and if you want any extras. If you choose the cheapest policy (Franchise), the first 3000 CHF per year isn't covered. Other insurances won't add much (300 CHF or so per year..)

Transportation: If you like travelling around Switzerland, a GA will set you back 3860 CHF. A unlimited card for Zürich Kanton will be 2226 CHF. City itself only 782 CHF. All relatively fair prices in my opinion, considering what's all included.

Generally, if you're living reasonable, you can expect about the following costs per month:
2000 CHF for a good, reasonable located flat
500 CHF for food - that allows some nice products, but doesn't go into splurge
100 CHF clothes
200 CHF eating out/having a few drinks once a week in average.
100 CHF gym&other sports like swimming
400 CHF health insurance
100 CHF other insurances (like REGA..) to be on the safe side.
250 CHF transportation "all inclusive"

Total: 3650 CHF

Yes, that's not crazy expensive, but considering quite a lot of Swiss have to survive on salaries just above 4000 CHF (which will yield them, after deductions and taxes, significant below 3500 CHF) or even below that, you can see that it's entirely possible to life on such expenses.

From a theoretical income of 100k, you'll get paid out approx 90k, and then having to spend around 6-10k of taxes (in Kt. Zürich, depending which place you're living) onto that. You'll have about 80k left. Your expenses (as calculated above) will be around 42-45k yearly, meaning around 35-38k left for saving up. Or for holidays. Or for shopping for more than basic clothes, etc.

Basically, on a decent Swiss salary - and I consider anything above 100k as decent for a single household - you can definitely safe up quite some money.
Thank you very much for this thorough info , so i guess 8 to 10k a month should do the trick for me. again thank a bunch for the heads up aboce. Appreciate it
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Re: Offered a job in Zurich

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how can i edit info on this forum?
you are too new to have the function. But just click on the little warning triangle over your first post and nicely ask a moderator to do it for you...
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65k EUR translates easily to 110-120k CHF. Dont underestimate the cost of living in Switzerland.
According to those online calculators, to maintain a similar standard of living, 65k euro in Hamburg is equivalent to 140k CHF in Zürich.
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Re: Offered a job in Zurich

Hamburg offers more options: You can live there in an area much cheaper than Zurich or just as expensive and easily as posh as Züriberg. So all those calculators are just estimations. I think 140k CHF is a bit high for 65k EUR. But certainly more than the 90k from the first post.
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Re: Offered a job in Zurich

well numbeo says i need 1.6k$ a month without rent and 3500$ with rent

so i think

2000$ rent or 1900chf
2000$ food,health insurance,transport,water,internet,electricity,mob ile or 1000 chf

and and additional 2000$ or 1900 chf which add to a

Total : 6000$ or ~5600chf a month / 72000$ or 68000 chf

After tax

Deductions
Salary68,000.00 CHF
Direct Federal Tax- 708.20 CHF
Communal tax- 3,227.28 CHF
Cantonal tax- 2,712.00 CHF
Total Tax- 6,647.48 CHF


Net Pay*61,352.52 CHF



so anything above 68000 chf "in my case 85 to 90k or even 100chf " would be good

Please correct my if im wrong
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well numbeo says i need 1.6k$ a month without rent and 3500$ with rent

so i think

2000$ rent or 1900chf
2000$ food,health insurance,transport,water,internet,electricity,mob ile or 1000 chf

and and additional 2000$ or 1900 chf which add to a

Total : 6000$ or ~5600chf a month / 72000$ or 68000 chf

After tax

Deductions
Salary68,000.00 CHF
Direct Federal Tax- 708.20 CHF
Communal tax- 3,227.28 CHF
Cantonal tax- 2,712.00 CHF
Total Tax- 6,647.48 CHF


Net Pay*61,352.52 CHF



so anything above 68000 chf "in my case 85 to 90k or even 100chf " would be good

Please correct my if im wrong
Now you are just being silly and wasting people's time with repeat questions like this. You have been given a good indication by others what the market worth of your job is in Zürich, so if you want to go in at a significantly lower salary and value such as 68k-85k based on inadequate research then please go ahead and don't let us stop you.

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Now you are just being silly and wasting people's time. You have been given a good indication by others what the market worth of your job is in Zürich, so if you want to go in at a significantly lower salary and value based on inadequate research then please go ahead and don't let us stop you.
have you read my entire paragraph? at the end i said , 100k should be good
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According to those online calculators, to maintain a similar standard of living, 65k euro in Hamburg is equivalent to 140k CHF in Zürich.
You're using those online calculators a bit wrong

With said standard of living calculator, you should only input the actual amount you're spending on "living" and subtract what you're saving.
Ex: I had a take-home salary of around 2.5k CHF. Of that, I'd spend only 1k on living, save 1.5k. So to be in a better off situation, I need the Swiss equivalent quality of life of my 1k CHF, like 3k + the 1.5k I'm saving, so 4.5k.
You can then work your way back to figure out the gross salary you need.
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You're using those online calculators a bit wrong

With said standard of living calculator, you should only input the actual amount you're spending on "living" and subtract what you're saving.
Ex: I had a take-home salary of around 2.5k CHF. Of that, I'd spend only 1k on living, save 1.5k. So to be in a better off situation, I need the Swiss equivalent quality of life of my 1k CHF, like 3k + the 1.5k I'm saving, so 4.5k.
You can then work your way back to figure out the gross salary you need.
Indeed, it should be used "net earnings" (after income tax). But you are wrong in saying that you need to exclude "1k on living" because that's exactly what is taking into account in those online calculators.
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Don't forget other smaller expenses such as obligatory TV tax, trash bags etc. They might look small but can bite very well..
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