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Prices are broadly unchanged since 2000, probably less than 10% increases. Prices have not been lowered due to exchange rates as goods are priced at what the market will bear.
Well, if what you say holds true (I am not disputing it), then because of the ridiculous appreciation of the franc during the period, Swiss residents also ridiculously increased their purchasing power while abroad. In other words, even though prices in CH haven't changed much, apart from health care, traveling and tourism abroad became very cheap since 2000. True or false?
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Old 16.04.2018, 15:33
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Well, if what you say holds true (I am not disputing it), then because of the ridiculous appreciation of the franc during the period, Swiss residents also ridiculously increased their purchasing power while abroad. In other words, even though prices in CH haven't changed much, apart from health care, traveling and tourism abroad became very cheap since 2000. True or false?
True which is why expats who came over in 2000 & now lose their jobs think the 50-60% new jobs offer are a joke, when in reality what they were being paid was a joke.
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True which is why expats who came over in 2000 & now lose their jobs think the 50-60% new jobs offer are a joke, when in reality what they were being paid was a joke.
True, but then I enjoyed it while it lasted
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Based on your other posts and this itís pretty easy to work out who your employer is and they are known for being very generous in such things, they have to be in order to attract people to work for them.

I donít think the OPís employers are quite in the same league.
Which is..?
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Old 16.04.2018, 16:22
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Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

As a fairly recent transfer from UK and as someone who works in International HR (I move people around the world alot) I offer the following:
1) Be clear if the salary they are offering is inclusive or exclusive of any performance bonus
2) I am not a high maintenance chick by any means but please note I personally would not be transferring to CH from UK for less than 100KCHF
3) The person who made the comment about being prepared for a drop in the standard of living I think was actually right. In the UK I socialised alot and was out most nights of the week but here in CH I have cut back on this alot (I can't get a mojito for less than 20CHF in Zuri - shock). Although it does mean I socialise in a different way now, dinner parties, picnics at the lake, climbing up mountains .....but not in heels
4) 5-7K CHF is a more reasonable relocation allowance
5) Do your research and then do it again and again. Make sure you really are prepared for the hike in day:day prices (for expat moves from UK to CH we work on the premise that the cost of living is twice as expensive as UK)
When I relocated this message board was the most amazing source of information - most the questions I could think of have been asked by others before me so really make use of this resource.
All of the above said...... this was the best move I have ever made and I have the most amazing quality of life here, my handbag doesnt get stolen, I dont get sexually assalted on the way to work every day (I do not miss the Tube), men open doors, the cheese is to die for and they have mountains :-).
Good luck
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Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

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As a fairly recent transfer from UK and as someone who works in International HR (I move people around the world alot) I offer the following:
1) Be clear if the salary they are offering is inclusive or exclusive of any performance bonus
2) I am not a high maintenance chick by any means but please note I personally would not be transferring to CH from UK for less than 100KCHF
3) The person who made the comment about being prepared for a drop in the standard of living I think was actually right. In the UK I socialised alot and was out most nights of the week but here in CH I have cut back on this alot (I can't get a mojito for less than 20CHF in Zuri - shock). Although it does mean I socialise in a different way now, dinner parties, picnics at the lake, climbing up mountains .....but not in heels
4) 5-7K CHF is a more reasonable relocation allowance
5) Do your research and then do it again and again. Make sure you really are prepared for the hike in day:day prices (for expat moves from UK to CH we work on the premise that the cost of living is twice as expensive as UK)
When I relocated this message board was the most amazing source of information - most the questions I could think of have been asked by others before me so really make use of this resource.
All of the above said...... this was the best move I have ever made and I have the most amazing quality of life here, my handbag doesnt get stolen, I dont get sexually assalted on the way to work every day (I do not miss the Tube), men open doors, the cheese is to die for and they have mountains :-).
Good luck
Hi BritKate, thank you for your useful input.

When you say that you would not relocate from the UK for anything less than CHF 100k, what starting UK salary are you considering? My salary in London is £45k, so CHF100k would be a pretty big bump!
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As a fairly recent transfer from UK and as someone who works in International HR (I move people around the world alot) I offer the following:
1) Be clear if the salary they are offering is inclusive or exclusive of any performance bonus
2) I am not a high maintenance chick by any means but please note I personally would not be transferring to CH from UK for less than 100KCHF
3) The person who made the comment about being prepared for a drop in the standard of living I think was actually right. In the UK I socialised alot and was out most nights of the week but here in CH I have cut back on this alot (I can't get a mojito for less than 20CHF in Zuri - shock). Although it does mean I socialise in a different way now, dinner parties, picnics at the lake, climbing up mountains .....but not in heels
4) 5-7K CHF is a more reasonable relocation allowance
5) Do your research and then do it again and again. Make sure you really are prepared for the hike in day:day prices (for expat moves from UK to CH we work on the premise that the cost of living is twice as expensive as UK)
When I relocated this message board was the most amazing source of information - most the questions I could think of have been asked by others before me so really make use of this resource.
All of the above said...... this was the best move I have ever made and I have the most amazing quality of life here, my handbag doesnt get stolen, I dont get sexually assalted on the way to work every day (I do not miss the Tube), men open doors, the cheese is to die for and they have mountains :-).
Good luck
Housing costs in ZH are way lower than central London, in ZH a 20 minutes commute is a long time.
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Old 16.04.2018, 16:50
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Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

My salary in CH is 3.75 times that of the UK salary I came across on and yet I am still on a Mojito reduction programme.
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Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

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Hi BritKate, thank you for your useful input.

When you say that you would not relocate from the UK for anything less than CHF 100k, what starting UK salary are you considering? My salary in London is £45k, so CHF100k would be a pretty big bump!
That's also a lesson to learn - do NOT compare your new job/position's salary to your current one, but to the specific market.
And that's also why they (HR) should have no interest in - or you should not be sharing - your current salary.
You are being / should be paid for a set of skills and a job position to fulfill, not based on your salary history.
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My salary in CH is 3.75 times that of the UK salary I came across on and yet I am still on a Mojito reduction programme.
You must have expensive tastes in bars - most I know are CHF 15 or even less...

Wine is significantly cheaper here btw!
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My salary in London is £45k, so CHF100k would be a pretty big bump!
Sure...wait and see you will be here and we talk again.
Or listen people with experience of cost of living in both countries.

No wonder companies are lowballing candidates from abroad...
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You must have expensive tastes in bars - most I know are CHF 15 or even less...

But does one's feet stick to the floor in the bar and are the toilets clean? That is the question.....
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Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

Well if Expatistan is any indication - and it might be as it's not an entirely subjective assessment based on personal experiences - living costs in Zurich and London are about the same: https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-l...london/zurich?

Yet others say it's about 20-25% more expensive: https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...d&city2=Zurich

So theoretically, the simple currency exchange calculation might not be all that off, depending on which source you want to believe.

That being said, as already written before, I don't think 65-70k or so here will go as far as 45k in London do.

However, going from 45k in London to 100k in Zurich certainly is a jump no matter what, even if not a massive one, which it doesn't have to be if the job is roughly the same (which I can't recall, have to re-read). Not every transfer or even every job change comes with more responsibility and therefore automatically a higher salary. Lateral moves are really quite common.
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Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

I'm of a similar opinion as some of the others, your company have been very poor up to now.
As pointed out, they HAVE tried to low ball you.
This would p1ss me off no end.
Also, the usual salary increases here are @1% per annum unless there is a significant role change.

Companies/managers are great at making their problems your problem, ie they need someone in CH, and you're the guy.
Now it's your problem.

Personally, if you're confident of your ability and marketability, I'd stick out for the 90k or politely turn them down.
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You must have expensive tastes in bars - most I know are CHF 15 or even less...

Wine is significantly cheaper here btw!
Wine in bars/clubs isn't cheaper here, and the measures are much smaller.
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Wine in bars/clubs isn't cheaper here, and the measures are much smaller.
Yep, a large glass of wine in the UK is 250ml, a third of a bottle.
Any drinkable wine here is @chf8.50 for 1dl.
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Yep, a large glass of wine in the UK is 250ml, a third of a bottle.
Any drinkable wine here is @chf8.50 for 1dl.
Try Edi's Weinstube
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Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

I think the 90 to 100k number makes sense - certainly within Professional Services (different industry I know but you'd think they've done some benchmarking etc.). Relatively junior resources who were paid around 40-45k in London were on 90-100k in Zurich. However despite the expense, it does feel like a step-up in how much cash you have spare (or think you have spare!).


However the big difference is that the London resources were often 5 years younger than their Swiss hire counterparts as were the pre-conditions for their role (requiring a Masters vs Bachelors)...so you may find they try to push you down based on that argument (years served compared to your peers and education level)....but I'd say hold your ground based on the fact that as others have pointed out, Zurich is an absurdly expensive city and even living solo on 100k will see 30-40% wiped out on rent before you consider health insurance, the cost of food and entertainment and then any 'luxuries' you may consider. Living in a shared arrangement though would have you extremely comfortable however with plenty to spare...it's down to what you want and need really.
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Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

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You started this thread with the aim of not being lowballed / short changed and it looks to me like youíre in the process of talking yourself into accepting CHF80k.

I am not 100% convinced that this is market rate for such a role.

Itís pointless in my opinion comparing standards of living in London vs ZŁrich. The aim is to achieve market rate and ideally a bit more premium given your value to the company because of your experience etc not just simply maintain your standard of living in London.
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You must have expensive tastes in bars - most I know are CHF 15 or even less...

Wine is significantly cheaper here btw!
In shops it can be because of low duty and VAT, but in bars it is more expensive

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Edi's though is the massive exception to the rule. 3.50 for 1dl where most bars charge 5.00 - 8.00. But the price is not the only reason I love Edi's!
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