Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Employment
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 30.03.2018, 11:09
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: London
Posts: 16
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 20 Times in 7 Posts
ondasp has no particular reputation at present
Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

Hi all,

I have been lurking on this forum for a while and I just finally signed up to hopefully get some advice.

I am in the final stages of interviewing for an internal transfer with my company. I am currently working in the UK office and the new role is in Zurich. I am about to start negotiating salary and I am really at loss on what to expect. The issue is that the role is not a typical one that I can easily find salary benchmarks for. My company doesn’t really have set salaries for positions or experience, so I can’t use that as a reference either. Everything seems to be up for negotiation.. So hopefully someone here will be able to help me understand what would be fair.

The role we are discussing is a project manager role within a big creative department of 30+ people. I’d be responsible for project mamaging all the creative projects (print, digital, photo and video shoots) from brief to delivery, including managing budgets and some very complex logistics. The requirements for the role are very specific and I fit the description perfectly. I think they’d have a hard time finding another candidate with such a perfect fit for the role, let alone an internal candidate (company prefers to hire internally as a rule of thumb). I have a bachelor and a master degree, 5 years of work experience and speak multiple languages. Single, no kids.

Some of my colleagues who worked in the Swiss office told me to expect to be lowballed when they give me an offer as they apparently always try to get people from other offices on the cheap (as salaries in the UK are a lot lower than in Switzerland). A colleague who used to work in the same office but in a different department said he thinks the range for the role might be something along the lines of CHF 65k - 85k.

In the UK I am on £45k, which is enough to have a decent lifestyle. However, I wouldn’t move to Zurich for exactly the same lifestyle, I think I’d want an “upgrade” as for me leaving London would be a sacrifice. For example in London I share a flat with a friend, in Zurich I would want to live on my own.

What do you guys think? What should be the minimum salary I should be willing to accept for that type of role in order for me to uproot my life and move to Zurich? What would be an ideal salary, given the details I provided?

Any advice is really appreciated! Thank you
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 30.03.2018, 11:42
grumpygrapefruit's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Zuriwest
Posts: 5,575
Groaned at 36 Times in 35 Posts
Thanked 14,060 Times in 3,667 Posts
grumpygrapefruit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygrapefruit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygrapefruit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygrapefruit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygrapefruit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygrapefruit has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

I wouldn't accept less than 100,000.00 TBH. That is a decent salary in Zürich for a single guy. Others will be along soon to tell you that you can't survive on less than 120, but plenty of us do very well on much less than that.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank grumpygrapefruit for this useful post:
  #3  
Old 30.03.2018, 11:47
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 10,535
Groaned at 606 Times in 459 Posts
Thanked 14,180 Times in 5,520 Posts
Richdog has a reputation beyond reputeRichdog has a reputation beyond reputeRichdog has a reputation beyond reputeRichdog has a reputation beyond reputeRichdog has a reputation beyond reputeRichdog has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

Quote:
View Post
The role we are discussing is a project manager role within a big creative department of 30+ people. I’d be responsible for project mamaging all the creative projects (print, digital, photo and video shoots) from brief to delivery, including managing budgets and some very complex logistics. The requirements for the role are very specific and I fit the description perfectly.
I would say a job description like that would make it reasonable to expect 100k minimum up to 130k depending on the size of the company and how strong their performance and profitability is. You make it sound like you are a comparatively rare specialist, a large cog in the wheel with the potential to do great things for them so that should give you some bargaining power.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Richdog for this useful post:
  #4  
Old 30.03.2018, 17:04
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: AG
Posts: 131
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 109 Times in 56 Posts
LifeStrain is considered knowledgeableLifeStrain is considered knowledgeableLifeStrain is considered knowledgeable
Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

I'd say in the "creative" field you can expect anything between 80 and 120k, depending on how good the company does... but I certainly wouldn't accept anything below 80k.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 30.03.2018, 17:30
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: London
Posts: 16
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 20 Times in 7 Posts
ondasp has no particular reputation at present
Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

Quote:
View Post
I'd say in the "creative" field you can expect anything between 80 and 120k, depending on how good the company does... but I certainly wouldn't accept anything below 80k.
Yes indeed, I assume that the salary range for a pm position in a creative department might be lower than a pm position in other fields (like banking or pharma). However the low end of the range my colleague suggested (CHF 65k - 85k) seems really low compared to what I read on this forum and on other websites!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 30.03.2018, 17:39
The_Love_Doctor's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Zugerberg, Zug
Posts: 3,010
Groaned at 75 Times in 59 Posts
Thanked 3,316 Times in 1,576 Posts
The_Love_Doctor has a reputation beyond reputeThe_Love_Doctor has a reputation beyond reputeThe_Love_Doctor has a reputation beyond reputeThe_Love_Doctor has a reputation beyond reputeThe_Love_Doctor has a reputation beyond reputeThe_Love_Doctor has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

Quote:
View Post
The role we are discussing is a project manager role within a big creative department of 30+ people. I’d be responsible for project mamaging all the creative projects (print, digital, photo and video shoots) from brief to delivery, including managing budgets and some very complex logistics. The requirements for the role are very specific and I fit the description perfectly. I think they’d have a hard time finding another candidate with such a perfect fit for the role, let alone an internal candidate (company prefers to hire internally as a rule of thumb). I have a bachelor and a master degree, 5 years of work experience and speak multiple languages. Single, no kids.
The bit I highlighted above tells me that you would have very good visibility as to what the revenues might be and the costs of the project. So your value is very measurable.

My advice:

- Don’t get fixated on a number and go into the negotiation with a range in mind but never a specific number.
- Do ask for an indication of the salary ranges for a simlar role to help shape your own expectations.
—> if no similar role exists then use a role with more responsibilities and a role with less responsibilities as two benchmarks and extrapolate (that’s your range right there!)
- Take a holistic view, the fixed salary is only a part of your remuneration not all of it. Think of pension contributions and other perks. Most importantly think of bonuses, how are those linked to your performance and the company’s performance. it’s ok to take a fixed salary that covers your bills but knowing that if you deliver that you would get compensated accordingly.
- if all else fails, have a look at an apartment that you would like to live in and multiply the gross rent by 3 to get the lower end of your salary range expextations and multiply by 5 to get the higher end of the range.

Hope this helps.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank The_Love_Doctor for this useful post:
  #7  
Old 30.03.2018, 17:40
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 10,535
Groaned at 606 Times in 459 Posts
Thanked 14,180 Times in 5,520 Posts
Richdog has a reputation beyond reputeRichdog has a reputation beyond reputeRichdog has a reputation beyond reputeRichdog has a reputation beyond reputeRichdog has a reputation beyond reputeRichdog has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

Quote:
View Post
Yes indeed, I assume that the salary range for a pm position in a creative department might be lower than a pm position in other fields (like banking or pharma). However the low end of the range my colleague suggested (CHF 65k - 85k) seems really low compared to what I read on this forum and on other websites!
Start at 115k and work from there, and stress that you are very comfortable where you are and would not move unless it was worth your while. You need to give them the impression, without being arrogant, that you are a well educated and well experienced professional with a good track record who knows their value and competence and can't be lowballed as you aren't desperate to move. From your post it sounds like they need you more then you need them, so use it to your advantage.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 30.03.2018, 17:46
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Northwest CH
Posts: 135
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 182 Times in 76 Posts
Kaloid123 has earned the respect of manyKaloid123 has earned the respect of manyKaloid123 has earned the respect of many
Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

hi Ondasp
First you need to know if you really want the experience. Having a few extra or fewer CHF won't really matter 6 months in when reality of uprooting your life sinks in. Second, assess your negotiating position. If you are that rare animal or the need is urgent, then even double isn't a deal breaker for most companies.
My experience: role you describe would be around min CHF 8k/month, maybe up to 9.5k/month max in German-speaking parts of Switzerland based on 13 months payment annually. Trying lohnrechner.ch might help. Just as frame of reference, a grocery store clerk gets CHF 55k/year, a school teacher CHF 105k/year.
Company transfers sometimes hear "we can't pay you that much, how could we ever move you back to UK?" Ignore that argument. Say you'll take a local Swiss contract independent of your UK contract and deal with a new UK contract later if it comes to it.
Good luck on whatever your decision is - Switzerland is a special place though!
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 30.03.2018, 17:49
ZuriRollt's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Zürich
Posts: 3,345
Groaned at 90 Times in 66 Posts
Thanked 3,874 Times in 1,704 Posts
ZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

I think that any company in your field knows what you are worth.

It's a highly sought-after area in CH, and if you've been offered a position then it's a recognition of the contribution you can provide.
You might need to take a drop in the standard of living that you are used to.

I'd look at the company and prospects first if I was in your position.

Last edited by ZuriRollt; 30.03.2018 at 18:00.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank ZuriRollt for this useful post:
  #10  
Old 30.03.2018, 18:07
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: London
Posts: 16
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 20 Times in 7 Posts
ondasp has no particular reputation at present
Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

Quote:
View Post
I think that any company in your field knows what you are worth.

It's a highly sought-after area in CH, and if you've been offered a position then it's a recognition of the contribution you can provide.
You might need to take a drop in the standard of living that you are used to.

I'd look at the company and prospects first if I was in your position.
Why do you think so? London is famous for having low salaries in comparison to the cost of living, while Zurich seems to have a better ration between cost of living and salaries. Why should I expect my standard of living to drop in the transition from London to Zurich? I am not trying to be sarcastic, I am genuinely wondering.

With the due respect, I suspect I’d probably be better off staying in London in my current job rather than move to Zurich on a low salary.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank ondasp for this useful post:
  #11  
Old 30.03.2018, 18:12
RufusB's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: In my head. And UK. Ex-Basel.
Posts: 2,733
Groaned at 45 Times in 44 Posts
Thanked 4,020 Times in 1,641 Posts
RufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

Quote:
View Post
Why do you think so? London is famous for having low salaries in comparison to the cost of living, while Zurich seems to have a better ration between cost of living and salaries. Why should I expect my standard of living to drop in the transition from London to Zurich? I am not trying to be sarcastic, I am genuinely wondering.

With the due respect, I suspect I’d probably be better off staying in London in my current job rather than move to Zurich on a low salary.
I can't help with the salary thing but I'd just like to say that I think it's entirely reasonable to want a quality of life upgrade after uprooting. You know what is important to you - i wish you luck.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 30.03.2018, 18:17
ZuriRollt's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Zürich
Posts: 3,345
Groaned at 90 Times in 66 Posts
Thanked 3,874 Times in 1,704 Posts
ZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

Quote:
View Post
Why do you think so? London is famous for having low salaries in comparison to the cost of living, while Zurich seems to have a better ration between cost of living and salaries. Why should I expect my standard of living to drop in the transition from London to Zurich? I am not trying to be sarcastic, I am genuinely wondering.

With the due respect, I suspect I’d probably be better off staying in London in my current job rather than move to Zurich on a low salary.
And I agree.

If you want to take a risk and experience something new, potentially expand your career, then it would be great.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 30.03.2018, 18:34
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Zurich East
Posts: 542
Groaned at 40 Times in 30 Posts
Thanked 633 Times in 317 Posts
YuropFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeYuropFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeYuropFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeYuropFlyer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

I'd go a different approach.

How MUCH would you really like to come to Switzerland, considering the hard facts you know.

If you absolutely want to come here, go with something lower initially, like 90k, and even make signs that this wouldn't be your final asking.

If you'd like to come here, but you're actually fine in Post-Brexit UK, then go with a higher amount. Maybe 120k

Use any value in between to differentiate.

I'd say anything above 80k will allow you a better life than on 45k £ in London, but that's just me.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 30.03.2018, 19:32
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: London
Posts: 16
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 20 Times in 7 Posts
ondasp has no particular reputation at present
Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

Quote:
View Post
I'd go a different approach.

How MUCH would you really like to come to Switzerland, considering the hard facts you know.

If you absolutely want to come here, go with something lower initially, like 90k, and even make signs that this wouldn't be your final asking.

If you'd like to come here, but you're actually fine in Post-Brexit UK, then go with a higher amount. Maybe 120k

Use any value in between to differentiate.

I'd say anything above 80k will allow you a better life than on 45k £ in London, but that's just me.
Thank you for your post! So, if you were in my shoes, would you consider CHF 80k the absolute minimum you’d move to Zurich for?
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 30.03.2018, 20:21
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Zurich East
Posts: 542
Groaned at 40 Times in 30 Posts
Thanked 633 Times in 317 Posts
YuropFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeYuropFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeYuropFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeYuropFlyer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

Quote:
View Post
Thank you for your post! So, if you were in my shoes, would you consider CHF 80k the absolute minimum you’d move to Zurich for?
I'd rate 80k as about the bare minimum, yes.

80k will enable you to have a decent lifestyle (not bad 2-room flat reasonably located, 4 weeks holidays spent abroad in nice places, Swiss-wide flat-rate transport card (GA - a car isn't really needed here as long as you work in the city), drinks once/twice a week, eating out once a week (Swiss do NOT go eating out that often..), and about 10k CHF savings a year.

The difference that 100k, 120k would make?

More expensive flat (shorter commute, bigger flat etc.), holidays in business class and luxury hotels rather than just "nice 4*", higher savings, expensive ski holidays, 1st class GA (or a car..), etc.

80k is where I'd say the "decent lifestyle" starts for a single person. Where you don't really have to check the price labels, but still be somewhat cost sensitive on bigger expenses. Where an extra beer isn't an issue, but an extra dentist bill might still hurt.

In your situation - I don't really know you, but would certainly enjoy making your company over a beer - I'd probably go for 90k, but settle for anything (decently) above 80k.

90k - or even 80k - will be better in ZRH than 45k in London.

And yes, I'll take the uncertainty of Brexit into the calculations.

Even if you don't like it here in the end, a 1 or 2 year stint in Zürich won't hurt your CV, in the contrary!

And according to EF, most Brits actually do like it here
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank YuropFlyer for this useful post:
  #16  
Old 30.03.2018, 20:27
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: London
Posts: 16
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 20 Times in 7 Posts
ondasp has no particular reputation at present
Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

Quote:
View Post
I'd rate 80k as about the bare minimum, yes.

80k will enable you to have a decent lifestyle (not bad 2-room flat reasonably located, 4 weeks holidays spent abroad in nice places, Swiss-wide flat-rate transport card (GA - a car isn't really needed here as long as you work in the city), drinks once/twice a week, eating out once a week (Swiss do NOT go eating out that often..), and about 10k CHF savings a year.

The difference that 100k, 120k would make?

More expensive flat (shorter commute, bigger flat etc.), holidays in business class and luxury hotels rather than just "nice 4*", higher savings, expensive ski holidays, 1st class GA (or a car..), etc.

80k is where I'd say the "decent lifestyle" starts for a single person. Where you don't really have to check the price labels, but still be somewhat cost sensitive on bigger expenses. Where an extra beer isn't an issue, but an extra dentist bill might still hurt.

In your situation - I don't really know you, but would certainly enjoy making your company over a beer - I'd probably go for 90k, but settle for anything (decently) above 80k.

90k - or even 80k - will be better in ZRH than 45k in London.

And yes, I'll take the uncertainty of Brexit into the calculations.

Even if you don't like it here in the end, a 1 or 2 year stint in Zürich won't hurt your CV, in the contrary!

And according to EF, most Brits actually do like it here
Thank you so much for this super helpful break down of the lifestyle I’d be able to afford on 80k. Truly helpful in order to get a sense of the situation.

It does sound like anything above 80k should be acceptable, given the circumstances. I really love London and I have a lovely life here, but this job sounds like the kind of rare professional opportunity that doesn’t present itself very often.

PS: I am not British, I am Italian! Do Italians tend to like it there as well?
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 30.03.2018, 21:40
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: The World
Posts: 1,224
Groaned at 220 Times in 129 Posts
Thanked 960 Times in 546 Posts
Capo is considered unworthyCapo is considered unworthyCapo is considered unworthyCapo is considered unworthy
Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

Quote:
View Post
Thank you so much for this super helpful break down of the lifestyle I’d be able to afford on 80k. Truly helpful in order to get a sense of the situation.

It does sound like anything above 80k should be acceptable, given the circumstances. I really love London and I have a lovely life here, but this job sounds like the kind of rare professional opportunity that doesn’t present itself very often.

PS: I am not British, I am Italian! Do Italians tend to like it there as well?
It depends...

I know an Italian girl who came to Zürich because she had the dream to study at ETH. She got her degree, got a high-paying job, likes the city... But she hates Zürchers to the point she is thinking about going back to Italy!
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Capo for this useful post:
  #18  
Old 07.04.2018, 00:28
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: London
Posts: 16
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 20 Times in 7 Posts
ondasp has no particular reputation at present
Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

Hi all, just posting an update on this.

I got the offer and, as I previously anticipated, they massively lowballed me with a CHF 65k offer. I am very disappointed as the role sounds amazing and I would really enjoy working in that position, but I am afraid I’ll have to turn the offer down as CHF 65k is wildly away from the minimum salary I’d move for (which is CHF 80k).

Incidentally, the role requires 5+ years of work experience, a degree and some very specific skills, so it is even more surprising that they think CHF 65k is a realistic salary for such role.

Shame
Reply With Quote
The following 7 users would like to thank ondasp for this useful post:
  #19  
Old 07.04.2018, 08:37
The_Love_Doctor's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Zugerberg, Zug
Posts: 3,010
Groaned at 75 Times in 59 Posts
Thanked 3,316 Times in 1,576 Posts
The_Love_Doctor has a reputation beyond reputeThe_Love_Doctor has a reputation beyond reputeThe_Love_Doctor has a reputation beyond reputeThe_Love_Doctor has a reputation beyond reputeThe_Love_Doctor has a reputation beyond reputeThe_Love_Doctor has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

Quote:
View Post
Hi all, just posting an update on this.

I got the offer and, as I previously anticipated, they massively lowballed me with a CHF 65k offer. I am very disappointed as the role sounds amazing and I would really enjoy working in that position, but I am afraid I’ll have to turn the offer down as CHF 65k is wildly away from the minimum salary I’d move for (which is CHF 80k).

Incidentally, the role requires 5+ years of work experience, a degree and some very specific skills, so it is even more surprising that they think CHF 65k is a realistic salary for such role.

Shame
Thanks for the update but I don’t understand

Did you make a counter offer? That’s it CHF65k take it or leave it??

What kind of Mickey Mouse company is this??? Time to move on amigo!
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank The_Love_Doctor for this useful post:
  #20  
Old 07.04.2018, 08:40
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 140
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 201 Times in 84 Posts
Tox_Rat has an excellent reputationTox_Rat has an excellent reputationTox_Rat has an excellent reputationTox_Rat has an excellent reputation
Re: Salary for international internal transfer - how to avoid being lowballed?

Quote:
View Post
Hi all, just posting an update on this.

I got the offer and, as I previously anticipated, they massively lowballed me with a CHF 65k offer. I am very disappointed as the role sounds amazing and I would really enjoy working in that position, but I am afraid I’ll have to turn the offer down as CHF 65k is wildly away from the minimum salary I’d move for (which is CHF 80k).

Incidentally, the role requires 5+ years of work experience, a degree and some very specific skills, so it is even more surprising that they think CHF 65k is a realistic salary for such role.

Shame
Well the person who put together the offer may not recognize what that role should pay in Zurich, why don't you make a counter offer and negotiate, rather than giving up right away. The worst they could say is no.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank Tox_Rat for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hearing aid: how to avoid being "switzerlanded" MrVertigo Family matters/health 9 03.05.2014 19:44
how to avoid stress? sandmann Other/general 69 18.08.2011 07:19
Visitor Messages - how to avoid olygirl Forum support 4 31.01.2011 23:36
Transfer of Ownership to avoid car import duty/swiss plates requirement APP Transportation/driving 22 10.03.2010 13:02
Salary question - transfer within company, to Zurich PugetSoundSylvia Employment 1 11.12.2008 08:39


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 08:01.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0