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Hello all,

I am a Swiss who has just graduated from medical school in the U.K. and I would like to escape the NHS and move to Ticino to work (I speak Italian and my fiancť is Italian hence being so specific about region!).

I was just wondering if anyone here knew whether I am required to do my first year foundation (FY1) in the U.K. to get my degree recognised in switzerland (I.e.: can I be recognised with temporary GMC registration or do I have to have full registration)?

Also just a couple of general questions: from what Iíve gathered I believe a) I am not required to take any further exam such as a specialisation exam and b) I should be ok as long as I speak one of the Swiss languages (but obviously it would be ideal if I spoke more than one). Is this all correct?


Thank you so much in advance!
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Re: UK qualified doctor working in switzerland

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I tried emailing them and just got a very generic Ďcopy and pasteí response that didnít actually answer my questions! Hoping someone new on here before I email the Red Cross again
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I tried emailing them and just got a very generic Ďcopy and pasteí response that didnít actually answer my questions! Hoping someone new on here before I email the Red Cross again
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Re: UK qualified doctor working in switzerland

Hi there.

Are you still looking for answers regarding this?

I was in a similarish situation 7 years ago. Swiss citizen that was a South African qualified doctor.

The long and short of it - and there is a really long of it! - you can work in Switzerland as an Assistenzarzt (equal to medical officer/registrar, despite the stupid title) as long as you find a job - usually quite easy if you speak the local language and have swiss citizenship. Apply directly at the hospital. You don't need registration until you want to work independently -ie. as a specialist. I managed to get my degree 'recognised' after 3 years of working in Switzerland after I managed to get it 'recognised' in the UK due to Commonwealth/EU/EFTA agreements. Brexit might not make this easier. Foundation year makes no difference either way. The FMH and Mebeko websites are the ones to look at. If you are serious about it and have more questions, feel free to ask me. It's a complicated, pricey and time consuming procedure but in the end there were no nasty surprises and it worked with no extra examinations needed. I sympathise with you wanting to escape the NHS, what they have been doing to you guys is simply unacceptable.
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Re: UK qualified doctor working in switzerland

Would you like to work in Switzerland as a doctor, dentist, veterinarian, pharmacist or chiropractor?

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Hi there.

Are you still looking for answers regarding this?

I was in a similarish situation 7 years ago. Swiss citizen that was a South African qualified doctor.

The long and short of it - and there is a really long of it! - you can work in Switzerland as an Assistenzarzt (equal to medical officer/registrar, despite the stupid title) as long as you find a job - usually quite easy if you speak the local language and have swiss citizenship. Apply directly at the hospital. You don't need registration until you want to work independently -ie. as a specialist. I managed to get my degree 'recognised' after 3 years of working in Switzerland after I managed to get it 'recognised' in the UK due to Commonwealth/EU/EFTA agreements. Brexit might not make this easier. Foundation year makes no difference either way. The FMH and Mebeko websites are the ones to look at. If you are serious about it and have more questions, feel free to ask me. It's a complicated, pricey and time consuming procedure but in the end there were no nasty surprises and it worked with no extra examinations needed. I sympathise with you wanting to escape the NHS, what they have been doing to you guys is simply unacceptable.
Thank you so so much for this information!! The NHS have decided that I am going to have to work in a hospital 4 hours away for the next two years, and if I donít accept it, I just wonít have a job. I donít know how they think I can possibly afford the moving costs, rent etc before Iíve even started working (for what is a terrible salary that doesnít take into account your university loan repayment etc). Not to mention the fact Iím expected to leave my family and general life behind!

I think I should take B2 Italian first - I think it will help my job prospects if I can prove a level of language capability?? Iím hoping to take it at the next sitting in December. Then I may well come back with some further questions when I start job hunting... thank you SO much again for your very positive response!!
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Re: UK qualified doctor working in switzerland

No problem! Send me a PM if you need more information and I don't respond, as I'm not on EF that often. Definitely, language should be your first priority - after all you will need to be able to communicate effectively with the patients (it sure helps ). Having said that - after growing up in english-speaking SA, my swiss german was rusty and my high german non-existent and I still found a job in internal medicine after only a few weeks. They are pretty desperate! It wasn't a nice job but it got my foot in the door...having said that, it was really difficult for me, writing all those discharge letters in a language I was barely a B1 in.
My life got a lot better after 18 months when I moved over to anaesthetics. There are pros and cons working here as a doctor - it's not all roses and sunshine - but there is no doubt it is better than the UK and SA! And the italian-speaking part of the country is gorgeous!
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Re: UK qualified doctor working in switzerland

Just to make sure I am not telling you anything that isn't totally true - I actually am not 100% sure about the Foundation Year - you can definitely work as an Assistenzarzt without it but you may run into trouble if after 3 years you try and get your Diploma recognised in Switzerland. I had worked in SA for 3 years, so it wasn't an issue for me. Check here (MEBEKO) or email them directly, but yes, they generally sent me very generic replies as well and you had to push a bit and do your own research (ie. read the EU Guidelines you can find via Google that they refer to) if you really wanted to know something specific -

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/it/home...g-diplome.html
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Re: UK qualified doctor working in switzerland

have a look at the regulations- EU 2005/36/EG
article 24 clause 2 requires 6 years or 5500 hours training / education

then Annex V confirms which qualifications are recognised automatically ... and references "certificate of experience" ....so I suspect you need your FY1.

the BMA page on working abroad says completed "primary" training - suspect calling the BMA for confirmation will be your quickest way to an answer.
https://www.bma.org.uk/advice/career...-economic-area

An interesting question might be ....if you work a year in Switzerland, can that count as your FY1? (don't know the requirements of FY1, but in Switzerland, you'd be on a fixed unit = inner medicine or surgery or what-ever....not rotating between medical and surgical for example.)
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Re: UK qualified doctor working in switzerland

Alas, due to a certain level of dyslexia, I always read the thread title as "UN qualified doctor".

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Hello all,

I am a Swiss who has just graduated from medical school in the U.K. and I would like to escape the NHS and move to Ticino to work (I speak Italian and my fiancť is Italian hence being so specific about region!).

I was just wondering if anyone here knew whether I am required to do my first year foundation (FY1) in the U.K. to get my degree recognised in switzerland (I.e.: can I be recognised with temporary GMC registration or do I have to have full registration)?

Also just a couple of general questions: from what Iíve gathered I believe a) I am not required to take any further exam such as a specialisation exam and b) I should be ok as long as I speak one of the Swiss languages (but obviously it would be ideal if I spoke more than one). Is this all correct?


Thank you so much in advance!
You will get the direct recognition of EU/EFTA for the medical degree. This is enough to get an house officer type job. To get the recognition, you need to have B2 level certificate in the language (not older than 6 years), OR have done your degree in the language, OR have worked in the language in a medical discipline in 3 from the last 10 years.

Basically get a recognised B2 certificate which is probably a walk in the park for a native speaker like you (and essentially no different to Americans studying in UK or Ireland having to do English exams to work back in the US) and send them the certified copies of your diploma. It takes approx. 6 weeks.
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have a look at the regulations- EU 2005/36/EG
article 24 clause 2 requires 6 years or 5500 hours training / education

then Annex V confirms which qualifications are recognised automatically ... and references "certificate of experience" ....so I suspect you need your FY1.

the BMA page on working abroad says completed "primary" training - suspect calling the BMA for confirmation will be your quickest way to an answer.
https://www.bma.org.uk/advice/career...-economic-area

An interesting question might be ....if you work a year in Switzerland, can that count as your FY1? (don't know the requirements of FY1, but in Switzerland, you'd be on a fixed unit = inner medicine or surgery or what-ever....not rotating between medical and surgical for example.)
I was wondering exactly the same thing about whether I can argue working in Switzerland is equivalent to an FY1! I think Iíll do my B2 whilst working as an FY1 and have a go at applying for degree recognition with the Swiss during that year. If they donít accept it, Iíll have to finish FY1 or just move straight to Switzerland and see if I can argue for working there being an equivalent to FY1. Itís all a bit ridiculous really considering the U.K. training is apparently a lot more Ďpracticalí than in many other countries.

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You will get the direct recognition of EU/EFTA for the medical degree. This is enough to get an house officer type job. To get the recognition, you need to have B2 level certificate in the language (not older than 6 years), OR have done your degree in the language, OR have worked in the language in a medical discipline in 3 from the last 10 years.

Basically get a recognised B2 certificate which is probably a walk in the park for a native speaker like you (and essentially no different to Americans studying in UK or Ireland having to do English exams to work back in the US) and send them the certified copies of your diploma. It takes approx. 6 weeks.
Thank you so much! This is great news!!

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