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RAV Advisor states that I must apply to at least 9 jobs in CH of the mandatory 12

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After six months of looking for a job while registered with the RAV, in my last meeting, the advisor informs me that the rule is that at least 9 of the 12 applications that I make every month and put on the form must be in Switzerland.

I just wonder why I am being told this six months later. I explained to him that I apply to any job which I am suitable for in CH, but the same also applies for central Europe; as I was getting interviews in the UK, and Germany. However, they say that no more than 3 jobs abroad must appear on my form.

Also, the RAV advisor booked my next appointment at 745 AM, which is quite early, as no one usually starts work before 8 AM.
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Re: RAV Advisor states that I must apply to at least 9 jobs in CH of the mandatory 12

My experience: I was registered to RAV about 3 years ago for few months. During that time I had to apply for 6-8 jobs per month including telephone enquiries and personal meetings. Most of the jobs I applied were outside Switzerland. The advisor was very understanding and he said it might be hard to get a job without network for my position/background and there won't be a lot of openings that would fit.

Maybe the rules have changed in the meantime or are different for different Cantons. Check out the website on RAV of your canton or ask your advisor for documents on rules.
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Also, the RAV advisor booked my next appointment at 745 AM, which is quite early, as no one usually starts work before 8 AM.
I think I understand why you're having troubles to find a job..
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Re: RAV Advisor states that I must apply to at least 9 jobs in CH of the mandatory 12

Sorry, I don't follow.
In the UK normal working hours are 9-5PM. In Banking, an 8 o' Clock start. In my opinion, its as if I am being set up to fail.
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Old 20.05.2018, 16:21
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My experience: I was registered to RAV about 3 years ago for few months. During that time I had to apply for 6-8 jobs per month including telephone enquiries and personal meetings. Most of the jobs I applied were outside Switzerland. The advisor was very understanding and he said it might be hard to get a job without network for my position/background and there won't be a lot of openings that would fit.

Maybe the rules have changed in the meantime or are different for different Cantons. Check out the website on RAV of your canton or ask your advisor for documents on rules.
According to him these are the rules. I cannot challenge them about it.
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Old 20.05.2018, 16:24
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Re: RAV Advisor states that I must apply to at least 9 jobs in CH of the mandatory 12

Perhaps, I should ask to change the advisor, as I think they are fooling me around.


I am very serious about finding a job and that is evident from my achievements and cooperation to date.


I want my rights. I have paid my contributions and am eligible to be paid, but it would seem that they have a problem about it; and their actions are hindering my job search, if anything.
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Re: RAV Advisor states that I must apply to at least 9 jobs in CH of the mandatory 12

From all the sources, that I have read, this is not specified about in which countries you must apply.
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Re: RAV Advisor states that I must apply to at least 9 jobs in CH of the mandatory 12

Another thing worth mentioning, during the last meeting. The gentleman asked me do I make my own applications? Of course I do. I just find this bizarre.
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Perhaps, I should ask to change the advisor, as I think they are fooling me around.


I am very serious about finding a job and that is evident from my achievements and cooperation to date.


I want my rights. I have paid my contributions and am eligible to be paid, but it would seem that they have a problem about it; and their actions are hindering my job search, if anything.
No they don't. You do 9 applications in Switzerland and 20 abroad.

Do you really think you will find a job within reasonable time if you do 12 applications a month?
12 is not the max.
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Re: RAV Advisor states that I must apply to at least 9 jobs in CH of the mandatory 12

I was already doing over 20 a month, in the last 3 months before we had this discussion with the RAV advisor
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I want my rights. I have paid my contributions and am eligible to be paid, but it would seem that they have a problem about it; and their actions are hindering my job search, if anything.
Seriously, having to get up early one morning for a meeting and submit 9 job applications in Switzerland a month, is hindering your job search....

You are entitled to get paid if you satisfy the requirements set by your advisor. You've had six months doing it your way and have not come up with anything, so now they are going to start taking a closer interest in your efforts. This is normal, I've been there myself, twice. You can also expect they will start to suggest you go on more courses etc...
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Re: RAV Advisor states that I must apply to at least 9 jobs in CH of the mandatory 12

Thanks Jim.
I will do it its just like I say it seems very early, and I have to organise an interpreter and get them to agree the appointment as well.

If I can do the job in CH, I am happy to apply. Otherwise, I feel that its a waste of time, but I will do it anyway. Do you see my point?
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Sorry, I don't follow.
In the UK normal working hours are 9-5PM. In Banking, an 8 o' Clock start. In my opinion, its as if I am being set up to fail.
In 1956 maybe.

Plenty of jobs in the UK begin before 8 am. Flexibility is an important trait.

Good luck with your search.
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Re: RAV Advisor states that I must apply to at least 9 jobs in CH of the mandatory 12

Thanks Rufus.

Its proving difficult because the industry has changed, and now its all automated. When I apply for automation, recruiters disregard my relevant experience and focus on my lack of automation experience, but I'll find a way.
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Re: RAV Advisor states that I must apply to at least 9 jobs in CH of the mandatory 12

Wow. They ask you to show up at 7.45 ONCE and in your world, that's not acceptable? Check your attitude.

RAV is essentially your employer at the moment. And like with any other employer, you essentially do as they say. They're not charity, you have obligations, and in return for fulfilling them, you'll get money. Simple. If you don't want to play by their rules, then you are free to unregister and do whatever you want.

Also, you can apply to however many jobs abroad you want, as long as you apply to enough jobs in Switzerland as well. 10 or 12 applications are merely the minimum, no one's stopping you from applying to more than that plus in other locations.
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Re: RAV Advisor states that I must apply to at least 9 jobs in CH of the mandatory 12

Like I say Simaire. The fact that CH does not accommodate English speakers makes it inconvenient and expensive to arrange interpreters.

Its a stupid rule and it reflects bad on Switzerland. I was offered a job with a major corporation on the grounds of speaking no German and French, and granted an appropriate work permit.

On that basis, I should get an English speaking advisor! But anyway, what do you expect for a country that has 4 languages which isn't a good thing.
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Typo; four official languages.
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Re: RAV Advisor states that I must apply to at least 9 jobs in CH of the mandatory 12

A country that does not think beyond its own borders.

A country with many narrow-minded people who exclude others because they are weak in their talents, instead of embracing diversity and competition.

A small insignificant country that is not improving, but protecting something that is unsustainable. A country which built its wealth from historical events
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Sorry, I don't follow.
In the UK normal working hours are 9-5PM. In Banking, an 8 o' Clock start. In my opinion, its as if I am being set up to fail.



You must be fairly low down the food chain, shouldn't be too difficult to find a job
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Like I say Simaire. The fact that CH does not accommodate English speakers makes it inconvenient and expensive to arrange interpreters.

Its a stupid rule and it reflects bad on Switzerland. I was offered a job with a major corporation on the grounds of speaking no German and French, and granted an appropriate work permit.

On that basis, I should get an English speaking advisor! But anyway, what do you expect for a country that has 4 languages which isn't a good thing.

How far up your arse can you get ?


Go to the UK and try speaking any one of the OFFICIAL 4 languages of Switzerland and see how you get on.
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