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How easy would be get a job?

Hi i'm new and my name is Luis. I'm korean, i came to Argentina when i was 3 years old. I would like ask to you guys. How easy would be get a Job in Switzerland? down there i'll leave my short cv.

Study : Ms in Computer Science, Universidad de Buenos Aires.

Experience: 1 years in Globant Argentina as back-end software developer

5 years in Medallia Argentina as Big Data, Machine Learning engineer.

Languages i do speak : Spanish, Korean and English as native level. And recently i got in Goethe institute C2 in German language.

Thank in advance for your answers, peace.
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Re: How easy would be get a job?

Well, the chances are pretty slim,to secure a job here in switzerland .
The company has to proove, that there is no swiss person and no person from the EU capable doing the job, then anyone else from non EU countries is on the waiting list .

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Re: How easy would be get a job?

It wouldn't
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Well, the chances are pretty slim,to secure a job here in switzerland .
The company has to proove, that there is no swiss person and no person from the EU capable doing the job, then anyone else from non EU countries is on the waiting list .

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i don't understand why the chance would be slim, if you do lack of ton of people in software engineering i bet even more in a specific branch like artificial intelligence, machine learning and data mining.
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Re: How easy would be get a job?

If it is any indication, my son has a Masters in Bio Informatics, a Swiss passport and speaks English and German. He doesn’t have your level of experience, but is Swiss. Yet, it has taken him over one year to find employment.

Fortunately, he has been hired by a Biotech start up.

Good luck to you.
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i don't understand why the chance would be slim, if you do lack of ton of people in software engineering i bet even more in a specific branch like artificial intelligence, machine learning and data mining.
I disagree with others that your chances will be slim but it will be difficult.

Do you have a nationality from one of the countries of the European Free Trade Organization? If not, you would be put in the end of the queue when a company needs to hire someone like you. For a company to hire a non-EU, they need to show the authorities that they search Swiss and EU citizens with the same skills and didn't find one.

That being said, there are a ton of non-EU people working at Google, Glencore, Nestle, etc. I sincerely don't know how they do it, but I heard that Google pretty much has a process in place for non-EU hiring.

Try to search more info on these specific companies that are known to hire non-EU.
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i don't understand why the chance would be slim, if you do lack of ton of people in software engineering i bet even more in a specific branch like artificial intelligence, machine learning and data mining.
I'm not sure you understood. A company must prove that they CANNOT find any one of
  • Swiss citizen
  • EU citizen or
  • no non-EU citizen already living here with a valid permit

So there's actually a ton of competition. Not a lack.

But give it a try. You never know, it's not impossible just tough. Some of our members are non-EU citizens and had the skills and qualifications and the authorities granted the permit.
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If it is any indication, my son has a Masters in Bio Informatics, a Swiss passport and speaks English and German. He doesn’t have your level of experience, but is Swiss. Yet, it has taken him over one year to find employment.

Fortunately, he has been hired by a Biotech start up.

Good luck to you.
Well the demands of Bio Informatics and Software Engineering it's quite different, but i got your point.
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Re: How easy would be get a job?

Problem you face is that the government thinks there are enough developers in the EU, now we all know there is a lack of skilled developers, but there are a ton of unskilled ones unemployed which companies are forced to hire first. Unless they can proof that you have such highly specialistic skills that they cannot find people within Switzerland and the entire EU. At my wife work the tried to get highly skilled game developers from the US, but no matter what they tried they could not manage to get permission, since there are unemployed developers enough in the EU, that they are less skilled did not matter.

The moment you can find another way of getting a EU permit you should have a job within weeks if your skills are indeed high enough.
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Re: How easy would be get a job?

The non-EU hiring criteria is laid out here.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

If your skills/experience are in demand and there are few people who can do the job then the chances are high of success. If your skills/experience aren't in demand then chances are low. If there are a lot of people who can do the job the chances are low.

It all comes down to whether a company believes they have a good enough chance of getting a permit for a non-EU national to go to the time and expense of applying.
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Re: How easy would be get a job?

They should also pay you more than 100k/year:


https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/wirtsch...story/11101481


otherwise it is not regarded as highly specialised job so no way.
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Re: How easy would be get a job?

To be considered for a permit as a non-EU, whatever job you are offered needs to be highly specialized or for seasoned manager.

Now while these may not be clear-cut criteria, as an essentially recent graduate with very little experience, you're extremely unlikely to be the former and can't possibly be the second.

Most other factors are secondary, particularly salary, but you stand very little chance based on the above alone.

If you work in a highly specialized field of IT, well then maybe one of the big companies out there can convince the authorities that they can't possibly go on without you.

Lastly, the situation here is the same in most countries of the world. There's hardly any country where you can swoop in and easily get a permit. It always baffles me how people think Switzerland is so unique in this respect when it really isn't. Try getting a job in US or Australia - that's in no way easier.
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i don't understand why the chance would be slim, if you do lack of ton of people in software engineering i bet even more in a specific branch like artificial intelligence, machine learning and data mining
This is the key question, and I don't know the answer as I'm not in that field -- exactly what is the demand:supply ratio? I would guess that the demand is high and increasing, but I've no idea if that demand is being met from existing / near-future talent.

If there is a genuine shortage, and if you have the skills needed, then your challenge is coming to the attention of Swiss-based companies. Your professional organisations / online forums etc. are an obvious resource though you've probably been down that route. Maybe put together a list of target companies here and a) keep on top of vacancies posted b) send high-quality Swiss-compliant resumé and letter of introduction that's sharply targeted at that business. Don't just send copy/paste intro letters. Demonstrate that you've done your research -- refer to their business and sector. Most important (based on past forlorn experience sifting through CVs), tell them what value you could bring to their business. Don't focus on the advantages that a job would give YOU. A business cares only about the former, not the latter. It's a classic mistake that candidates make.

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....That being said, there are a ton of non-EU people working at Google, Glencore, Nestle, etc. I sincerely don't know how they do it, but I heard that Google pretty much has a process in place for non-EU hiring.
I think quite a few non-EU people at these companies will already be employed by them, and get transferred in. Or are already here via marriage, university etc.
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I think quite a few non-EU people at these companies will already be employed by them, and get transferred in. Or are already here via marriage, university etc.
Nah. Large companies in any industry can push through a whole lot if they know what they're doing and they normally somewhat do. They're familiar with the process, which isn't really that challenging, but many smaller companies shy away from it, overestimating its complexity. The question really is whether they are willing to go through the whole thing and how ruthless they are ready to be if they have to be - I've seen companies threat the federal migration office to push through a permit (though that was normally reserved for the wannabe elite, i.e. a third cousin's of the CEO's hairdresser or something). Occasionally, that works, though by far not always.

Also, afaik, intracompany transfers of non-EU citizens in/to Switzerland follow more or less the same process as any other non-EU hiring. No special rights, except that it may be slightly easier to prove that they're indispensable for the organization or something like that.
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Also, afaik, intracompany transfers of non-EU citizens in/to Switzerland follow more or less the same process as any other non-EU hiring. No special rights, except that it may be slightly easier to prove that they're indispensable for the organization or something like that.
I was thinking about it from the perspective of the non-EU employee rather than the company trying to get a permit. If you're already resident here with a permit, it's a much simpler and cheaper process for the business to evaluate you. If you're in the company but outside CH, the business knows all about you already and faces very little risk in terms of incorporating your skills.

But sure, the permit haggling is a whole other thing that I know little about.
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Re: How easy would be get a job?

With 5 years of "Big Data, Machine Learning" experience you may have a good chance at Google. If you get to the point that they want to hire you then they will deal with the permit and will most likely secure it.
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That being said, there are a ton of non-EU people working at Google, Glencore, Nestle, etc. I sincerely don't know how they do it, but I heard that Google pretty much has a process in place for non-EU hiring.
Most non-EU sneak in via education or bed...

However, big companies have migration office on a leash. When my work permit took to long to approve, one of the local office managers gave a call there and it got approved on the same day... It doesn't mean that they don't have to deal with non-EU hiring criteria. But if they want you, they will definitely find a way to hire you, independently of your passport.
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However, big companies have migration office on a leash.
This definitely used to be true. But things changed a lot last January when the new migration policies came into effect. Since then, we have had a series of denied permit applications and consequently some staffing issues within my department. Being a large multinational with a dedicated team working on this issue means that you are able to deftly navigate the system, but it doesn't protect you from any political quotas imposed for reducing immigration.
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This definitely used to be true. But things changed a lot last January when the new migration policies came into effect. Since then, we have had a series of denied permit applications and consequently some staffing issues within my department. Being a large multinational with a dedicated team working on this issue means that you are able to deftly navigate the system, but it doesn't protect you from any political quotas imposed for reducing immigration.
What political quotas are you talking about? The migration policies put in place last January aren't regarded to the unemployment threshold?
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What political quotas are you talking about? The migration policies put in place last January aren't regarded to the unemployment threshold?
??? Who said anything about the unemployment threshold ??? I just said that since January, the Swiss immigration office has put practices in place to reduce the numbers of new immigrants coming into Switzerland from outside the EU. This change is the implementation of the 2014 vote against 'mass immigration'.

Thus, it has become much more difficult now for even the large multinationals to hire staff from third countries.
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