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Re: Mission impossible to find job as ENGLISH speaker in finance

Before we feel sorry for you, how long are you already in Switzerland and why do you not speak one of the local languages?

EDIT: You already have been here a few years , you should have thought of this years ago.
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Old 11.07.2018, 17:14
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Re: Mission impossible to find job as ENGLISH speaker in finance

Some context:
https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...ding-work.html
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Re: Mission impossible to find job as ENGLISH speaker in finance

Many interviews but no job offer. Always a different excuse.

I have been here for 2.5 years. My level of German is A2. I have been out of work for 9 months, and have applied internationally but no job offers until now
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Re: Mission impossible to find job as ENGLISH speaker in finance

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Many interviews but no job offer. Always a different excuse.
So what leads you to the conclusion that it is because of your language skills?
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Re: Mission impossible to find job as ENGLISH speaker in finance

Its just not easy, and I really want to work :-(
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Re: Mission impossible to find job as ENGLISH speaker in finance

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Many interviews but no job offer. Always a different excuse.

I have been here for 2.5 years. My level of German is A2. I have been out of work for 9 months, and have applied internationally but no job offers until now
If it's always a different excuse, maybe you should look at the other feedbacks or supposed excuses as well before jumping to conclusions about why you're getting rejected.

And also: why would it be an excuse? If you have a certain level of customer/client interaction, it's only logical to expect the person to speak at least one of the local languages, and English simply isn't one.

I don't get these type of threads. You've not worked for 9 months, why not get down to it and spend that time learning the language if you think that's the issue. Why complain that companies in any given country expect their employees to speak the local language at least to a decent level? It's not only their right, it also makes total sense. Would you go to the UK without speaking English and then bitch about the fact that you can't get a job as a German and French speaker only? If you answer this with a no, then why would you assume Switzerland should be any different? You may get away with English only in some jobs here, or in any other non-English-speaking country for that matter, but these jobs are usually far and few between.

Yes most of us want to work and feel empty without work. But instead of wallowing in self-pity, or worse yet, blaming everything around you, maybe you should look at what you could do that would increase your chances and how you could leverage the time you have at your disposal at the moment.

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Re: Mission impossible to find job as ENGLISH speaker in finance

Finance is a pretty broad description - perhaps if you gave a bit more detail as to what you are looking for folks here could help point you towards possibilities you may not yet have considered.
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Re: Mission impossible to find job as ENGLISH speaker in finance

I have been using my time to improve my skills, and have some new qualifications.

I thought that it would be better to improve my skills rather than to learn German or French in the short term.

It was my plan to resume German/French classes part time in the evening or weekend when I land my next job here.
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Old 12.07.2018, 12:40
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I have been using my time to improve my skills, and have some new qualifications.

I thought that it would be better to improve my skills rather than to learn German or French in the short term.

It was my plan to resume German/French classes part time in the evening or weekend when I land my next job here.


Again: Why are you so sure that it is the language skills that cause the problem? I am in a French speaking environment with close to zero French skills as well. This closes the door on some jobs, no doubt. But if you get invited to an interview does this mean the employer looked at your CV, knows you don't speak French and still invites you. If you then don't get the job can this hardly be ONLY be due to the missing language skills. Very honestly: few employers have interviews for fun... they invest their time as well and will only do so if they believe you might be a fit.


I am in no way trying to push you down in some way... but if you make it to an interview do you typically made it to the last 3-4 candidates, so you got a 25% Chance at least. If you then receive repeated rejections do you either need to work on your interview skills or find out what the real reasons are... direct question: are you a non-EU national?
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Re: Mission impossible to find job as ENGLISH speaker in finance

I sympathize to an extent.. My office is totally EN speaking, meetings are held in EN, all business correspondence is in EN.
EN is a requirement to work here with FR being an advantage.

I can get by in FR enough to do the parents night at the kids school, to take my car to the garage, to deal with daily my daily stuff like chit chat with the neighbours.. But I consider my FR to be crap still .. I understand probably at least 80% and my reading and vocab are pretty good.. It's the talking and grammar :-/

But could I land a job if i needed to, tomorrow? Hmm not sure.. I'd probably need a crash course.
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I am EU national
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Re: Mission impossible to find job as ENGLISH speaker in finance

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Again: Why are you so sure that it is the language skills that cause the problem?
Maybe because there are so few ads in English? I am in IT and in the past months I had more than 10 interviews and almost all were in German for positions advertised in German.

To those who tell the OP to learn French, do you think one can get to a level where they can compete with native speakers while looking for a job fulltime?

I have been given the reason for rejection as because there was other applicant who spoke not only German but Swiss German.

Believe me it is a buyer's market and they can afford to reject people on the grounds that they don't speak the local language.
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Old 12.07.2018, 14:17
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Believe me it is a buyer's market
Is it? In IT? I don't think so. The market is full of open positions, the problem is more that the companies are trying to push the salaries so low that they don't find people willing to fill them... and then complain about a skills shortage.
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Maybe because there are so few ads in English? I am in IT and in the past months I had more than 10 interviews and almost all were in German for positions advertised in German.

To those who tell the OP to learn French, do you think one can get to a level where they can compete with native speakers while looking for a job fulltime?

I have been given the reason for rejection as because there was other applicant who spoke not only German but Swiss German.

Believe me it is a buyer's market and they can afford to reject people on the grounds that they don't speak the local language.
He says "always another excuse", yet assumes it's always the language. That's a contradiction.

As Treverus says, if he gets to the interview stage but it always ends there, then there's a million other possible reasons why he's not getting anywhere. It's time to give these some thoughts these as well. Sure it might be that "all others are always preferred for whatever reason", but after a certain number of conversations, that becomes unlikely. Also, he probably indicates on his CV that his knowledge of German is pretty much zero, so if that were indeed a complete dealbreaker, no one would invite him in the first place. Doesn't mean they won't go for someone else later who offers some additional qualifications including languages, but again, it clearly can't be an absolute no-go and there are very likely other things that are going wrong. Could be a coincidence, could not be a coincidence. Hence the comment: time to start considering what else it could be.

And while I understand that being unemployed is stressful in itself and looking for jobs eats up a fair bit of time every day, it's unlikely to keep you busy 12-15 hours 7 days a week. I'm sure there's still time to take a language course, or do at least a bit of self-learning, or really anything - especially as he assumes this literally the only reason he's not getting a job. People manage to learn languages on the side while working full-time and then some, so I'm sure it's possible for him as well to dedicate a little time to it. It certainly can't hurt at any rate, at least not if he intends to continue living and working here. Again, bitching about possible external factors that could relatively easily be addressed won't really get him anywhere either.

Unless of course this thread was just intended to serve as a rant, rather than to get actual input. Then that's ok too, but wasn't quite clear.
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Maybe because there are so few ads in English? I am in IT and in the past months I had more than 10 interviews and almost all were in German for positions advertised in German.

To those who tell the OP to learn French, do you think one can get to a level where they can compete with native speakers while looking for a job fulltime?

I have been given the reason for rejection as because there was other applicant who spoke not only German but Swiss German.

Believe me it is a buyer's market and they can afford to reject people on the grounds that they don't speak the local language.
I know German speakers (foreign and natives) on the RAV for months.

We've had a candidate decline further interviews because they took another job and couldn't wait, because of the RAV.

Employers can certainly be more picky about the skills and experience, but this job I have now was advertised for a German speaker. My skills and experience were more valuable than the ability to clear my throat every other second in Swiss German
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Is it? In IT? I don't think so.
OP said FINANCE, not IT!

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Many interviews but no job offer. Always a different excuse.

I have been here for 2.5 years. My level of German is A2. I have been out of work for 9 months, and have applied internationally but no job offers until now
So your thread title does not make any sense. If language was the problem, you would not be invited for the interview.
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OP said FINANCE, not IT!

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Kedi said IT.
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